The "Sarah Obama Tape"
As I wrote on Friday, this whole thing does not sit well with me. I've heard the tape, read the transcripts and the affidavits, and just don't know what to make of it. I don't particularly think that it smells right, but feel that IT IS NOT MY PLACE TO SUPPRESS INFORMATION.
Read the information, listen to the tape and decide for yourself. That's how it should be, isn't it? Stop with the agenda-setting, just give the information to the people and let them decide what they think. Personally, while I've been open to the idea that Barack Obama has not been entirely truthful with regard to his background, something here does not seem right.
Since Berg filed his suit in late August, I've done my best to give you the information as I get it, and I have tried to present both sides of the argument. This is no different. This information is included in Berg's filing and, while it just doesn't sit right, we're too close to the election for anything but full disclosure.
Again, I DO NOT FEEL IT IS MY PLACE TO SUPPRESS INFORMATION.
To me, this has little to do with Obama, a man who I do feel is not right for America because of his radical ideology and questionable associations and alliances. This has to do with the availability of all information on all political candidates. If there were something out there which would raise questions about John McCain's fitness or eligibility for the presidency, I'd want it out for public consumption and debate.
Decide for yourself with regard to the information below. I already have, and if you're still wondering what I think, re-read this warning and notice that I've never before felt it necessary to include such a disclaimer at America's Right.
So, to borrow a phrase from a much maligned news organization, when it comes to the information below ... we REPORT, you DECIDE.
-- Jeff Schreiber
For the better part of two weeks, Philip Berg has been talking about evidence that Illinois Sen. Barack Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not Honolulu, Hawaii as the senator contends, specifically a taped interview with Sarah Onyango Obama, paternal grandmother of Barack Obama, in her home in Kenya after the third and final presidential debate during which she states that her famous grandson was born in Kenya, and that she was indeed present for his birth.At first, Berg insisted that he still had some legal issues to resolve before releasing the audiotape itself [which is in Swahili]. While he did not include the tape itself in his recent filings with the United States Supreme Court, he included the transcript of the conversation, sworn affidavits from people involved here and in Kenya, as well as e-mail messages exchanged between the two ministers involved.
The first of the two contacts is Rev. Kweli Shuhubia. His name, as it appears within the filings, has been changed for the sake of his safety considering the political climate in Kenya, not to mention here as well. According to his affidavit, Shuhubia is an ordained minister, native evangelist and translator for the Anabaptist churches in Kenya.
On October 16, at the insistence of the second contact, he traveled to the home of Sarah Obama in the village of Alego-Kogello, and found it to be "heavily guarded by Kenya Police" and "flooded with people who were celebrating Senator Obama's success story." He took photographs of Sarah Obama, another grandson who was present, and other family members.
The second contact is Bishop Ronald McRae. In his affidavit, McRae states that he "oversees the Anabaptists Churches in North America" and also serves as "Presiding Elder on the African Presbytery," where he assists in oversight for churches in Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, the Democratic Republic of the Congo and mission work in other locations there. During his travels, he says in his affidavit, "United States Senator Barack Hussein Obama is a very popular topic of discussion."
What the affidavit and the Court filings do not mention, however, is that McRae is better known stateside as a "street minister," and that his "bishop" title is largely self-applied. A September 10, 2005 article in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette describes McRae as a "self-proclaimed Anabaptist bishop" who "has felt it his calling to disrupt the lives of gays, Catholics, Mormons, Muslims, Jehovah's Witnesses and whatever other among the citizenry he considers the future entree at the Almighty's celestial barbecue come Judgment Day." He made news that day for denouncing the design of the Shanksville, PA memorial to those who perished on Flight 93 as a "symbol of Islam" because the finished product would resemble a red crescent in the autumn months, when the leaves on the maple trees would turn red. To his credit, I guess it would, but cannot imagine that appeasement of radical Islam was behind the design.
This, nonetheless, is the gentleman who brought the tape of Sarah Obama to the world.
Phil Berg was not aware of McRae's history as a "street minister" or as denouncer of crash site memorial designs--yes, I indeed thought it ironic that Berg, a man who believes that the United States government was complicitous in the attacks of September 11, 2001, was relying on a man who felt that the planned memorial to those who died on that awful day was woefully inadequate--but said that he nonetheless "feels comfortable that it's right."
"Say what you want about the man," Berg said, "but he has spent considerable time in Kenya, and the minister on the ground over there has known Obama's grandmother for years. Given the nature of the e-mails and such, I have no reason to believe that this isn't right."
The telephone records attached to filings do indeed add up, showing that there were indeed telephone calls between Kenya and a Detroit, MI telephone number--presumably McRae's--on the dates provided in the affidavits. Furthermore, apart from information that Sarah Obama's comments were translated from Swahili, a language of which a February 2008 article in The New York Times suggests that she speaks only little, the affidavits taken alone are interesting, if not compelling.
First, from Rev. Kweli Shuhubia's sworn affidavit::
During my interview of Sarah Obama; I called Bishop Ron McRae in the United States from my mobile number. I advised Bishop McRae that I was present with Ms. Obama in her home, and wished for him to speak with her. Bishop McRae informed me he would call me right back, to avoid the international costs on my personal mobile phone. Bishop McRae subsequently called me back; Bishop McRae requested permission to electronically record his telephone conversations with Ms. Obama, to which I agreed. Due to bad telephone connections Bishop McRae had to call me back three [3] times, before we were able to continue our conversation. The telephone interview conducted by Bishop McRae was conducted on loud speaker (speaker phone). During the interview conversation, one of Ms. Obama’s grandsons and myself acted as Swahili translators, and as Bishop McRae talked to and questioned Ms. Obama, we would translate what Bishop McRae said to Ms. Obama in Swahili, and then we would translate her Swahili responses to Bishop McRae in English. Ms. Obama can fluently speak Swahili in her native dialect, but cannot read or write.
Bishop McRae asked Ms. Obama specifically, “Were you present when your grandson Barack Obama was born in Kenya?” This was asked to her in translation twice, and both times she specifically replied, “Yes”. It appeared Ms. Obama’s relatives and her grandson, handling the translating, had obviously been versed to counter such facts with the purported information from the American news media that Obama was born in Hawaii. Despite this, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama was very adamant that her grandson, Senator Barack Hussein Obama, was born in Kenya, and that she was present and witnessed his birth in Kenya, not the United States. When Ms. Obama’s grandson attempted to counter his grandmother’s clear responses to the question, verifying the birth of Senator Obama in Kenya, Bishop McRae asked her grandson, how she could be present at Barack Obama’s birth if the Senator was born in Hawaii, but the grandson would not answer the question, instead he repeatedly tried to insert that, “No, No, No. He was born in the United States!” But during the conversation, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama never changed her reply that she was in deed present when Senator Barack Obama was born in Kenya. A copy of the Tape transcript is attached hereto as EXHIBIT “A”.
I left Kisumu City and traveled to Mombosa, Kenya. I interviewed personnel at the hospital in which Senator Obama was born in Kenya. I then had meetings with the Provincial Civil Registrar. I learned there were records of Ann Dunham giving birth to Barack Hussein Obama, III in Mombosa, Kenya on August 4, 1961. I spoke directly with an Official, the Principal Registrar, who openly confirmed the birthing records of Senator Barack H. Obama, Jr. and his mother were present, however, the file on Barack H. Obama, Jr. was classified and profiled. The Official explained Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. birth in Kenya is top secret. I was further instructed to go to the Attorney General’s Office and to the Minister in Charge of Immigration if I wanted further information.
Since Senator Obama’s birth was reportedly in 1961, birth records may or may not be available, so I felt it very important to obtain the testimony of his grandmother as a first hand witness, since it is commonly known throughout Kenya, and especially around the Kisumu area, that Sarah Obama was present when Barack Obama, Jr. was born in Kenya.
Accordingly, on Thursday, October 16, 2008 Reverend Kweli Shuhubia (actual name temporarily withheld to protect his life), an evangelist with our ministries in Kenya traveled to Kogello and located Ms. Sarah Obama at her home, see the attached email, attached as Exhibit “4”.
Rev. Shuhubia is a very intelligent and educated citizen of Kenya, a former teacher and respected evangelist throughout Kenya. Rev. Shuhubia met and interviewed Ms. Sarah Obama at length on October 16th, during which interview; he called me on my mobile number, see my phone record attached as Exhibit “5”. Rev. Shuhubia advised that he was present with Ms. Obama in her home, and wished for me to speak with her. I advised Mr. Shuhubia that I would call him right back, to avoid the international costs on his personal mobile phone. I subsequently called him back, and requested permission to electronically record his telephone conversations and the conversations with him and Ms. Obama, to which he agreed. Because of static and bad connections I had to call him three times, before we were able to continue our conversation. In that conversation, Mr. Shuhubia and one grandson of Ms. Sarah Obama acted as Swahili translators, and as I talked to and questioned Ms. Obama, they would translate what I said to her in Swahili, and then they would translate her Swahili responses to me in English. Ms. Obama can fluently speak Swahili in her native dialect, but cannot read or write. In the ensuing conversation, I asked Ms. Obama specifically, “Were you present when your grandson Barack Obama was born in Kenya?” This was asked to her in translation twice, and both times she specifically replied, “Yes”. Though, some few younger relatives, including her grandson doing the translating, have obviously been versed to counter such facts with the common purported information from the American news media that Obama was born in Hawaii, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama was very adamant that her grandson, Senator Barack Hussein Obama, was born in Kenya, and that she was present and witnessed his birth in Kenya, not the United States. When Ms. Obama’s grandson attempted to counter his grandmother’s clear responses to the question, verifying the birth of Senator Obama in Kenya, I asked her grandson, how she could be present at Barack Obama’s birth if the Senator was born in Hawaii, but the grandson would not answer the question, instead he repeatedly tried to insert that, “No, No, No. He was born in the United States!” But during the conversation, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama never changed her reply that she was in deed present when Senator Barack Obama was born in Kenya. A transcript of this taped interview is attached as Exhibit “6”.
Mr. Shuhubia took photographs during the meeting and interview with Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama, which photos will be forthcoming.
Because of the seriousness of the political situation and the impact of such on a United States Presidential election, and because of the factual reality of tremendous violence in Kenya towards Christians, especially in the immediate area of Kisumu, where both Sarah Hussein Obama and Rev. Kweli Shuhubia live, it is requested that all reasonable and legal steps be taken to secure Rev. Kweli Shuhubia’s identity to the Federal Court alone, in order to protect his life and safety for being willing to provide this very important assistance in gathering this testimony and evidence to be used in any Federal litigation.
The Court filings also contain images of e-mails exchanged between Bishop Ron McCrae and the Rev. Kweli Shuhubia. Like with the transcript, I've captured them from Berg's Supreme Court filings and reproduced them here.

The second e-mail clearly shows that Shuhubia's efforts to obtain birthing records and other documentation from officials in Kenya came after similar information-gathering efforts made by WorldNetDaily writer and The Obama Nation author Jerome Corsi who, according to the e-mail, offered $2,000 in exchange for any such information. Corsi, however, says that he doesn't work that way."I haven't made any bribes and haven't been involved in any bribes," Corsi told America's Right this afternoon. "There have been reports that people have made bribes on my behalf, and indeed WorldNetDaily reported that money exchanged hands to facilitate my removal from Kenya after I had been detained. However, I think payment of bribes for information is wrong, I think bribery gets bad information, and for those reasons I refuse to pay a penny, always have and always will, and refuse to reimburse anyone who pays a bribe on my behalf."
So there you have it. A tinny, hard-to-discern audio recording. Affidavits from people with changed names and a history of questionable conduct. E-mails which likely show what looks to be at least one fabricated detail. Here's the evidence we've all been clamoring for.
Take it, digest it, and decide for yourself.
You know, on the night that African Press International first reported that Michelle Obama had contacted them and said inflammatory things, I wrote that it just didn't smell right, it just didn't add up. Yes, over the following few days, I got caught up in the misrepresentations made by that fly-by-night organization, but in the end stuck with my gut feeling that something just wasn't right.
My coverage of Berg v. Obama has been, to me, about reporting to you the facts and underlying information, procedure and motivations behind Philip Berg's lawsuit as it progressed through the courts. I've provided you with the information as I have received it, whether from the newest filings in the court or from Berg himself. Throughout, I have attempted to provide you as best I can with a look into the rules and procedure on both sides of this civil action.
While I am certainly concerned for our nation and absolutely certain that Barack Obama has not been completely forthright when it comes to his past, whether it be about his ideological perspective, his friendships, his alliances or his personal background, I have refrained from making blind accusations or participating in wild conspiracy theories--hence the lack of material about Andy Martin's business in Hawaii, claiming that Frank Marshall Davis was Barack Obama's true father--because my interest is solely in the truth, and my jurisdiction is what I can physically see, smell and touch. This is why I kick myself for getting caught up in the Internet fodder surrounding African Press International. This is why I am so hesitant to make the information above available without expressly stating my lack of trust in its authenticity.
Still, who am I to conceal information publicly available but not easily accessible? Who am I to hide, from people who wish to decide for themselves, anything which may help them better understand the choice before them on Tuesday?
In the end, I hope that each and every one of you will pull that lever or push that button based upon more than a tinny conversation between someone purported to be Barack Obama's grandmother and a man who proclaims himself a bishop and sees red crescents in the autumnal hillsides of western Pennsylvania. This is an election of vast differences -- treat it that way. Instead of wondering just where Barack Obama was born, ask yourself whether you want government more or less involved in your daily lives, whether you're a capitalist or a socialist, whether you feel paying higher taxes is "patriotic," whether you value the unborn lives of the most defenseless among us, whether you want our fighting men and women home immediately or home with honor, or whether you feel that America's best days are in front of Her, or that the days of Lady Liberty as that shining city on a hill have gone by.
I hope I've made my point. As with anything else you've seen, heard or read during the past two years, take it in and decide for yourself. Personally, I'm a conservative, and will stick with the candidate I feel is best fit to preserve, for later generations, the tenets and benefits of conservatism -- and I'll do so with or without Bishop Ron McRae, Sarah Obama, Lolo Soetoro, or Philip Berg.
To listen to the audio, click HERE or, if needed, HERE.


167 comments:
HOLY SMOKES!
If this doesn't seal it, nothing will.
Thank you Jeff Schreiber. Get ready for the O Machine to do their thing.
Good Luck.
This is the way you want to go out, grasping at straws?
Unfortunately, no.
If you cannot tell from the warnings and the caveats and the disclaimers, I don't like this one bit.
Still, I don't think it's my place to suppress information.
Hawaiian officials admit withholding Obama’s original Birth Certificate
Posted by Israel Insider on November 1, 2008 at 11:30am
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Now it’s pretty apparent why Barack Obama made his sudden, last minute visit to Honolulu. It wasn’t Granny’s health problems that interested him but Hawaii’s Health Department.
The strategy may have backfired. A statement by Hawaiian officials Friday that they have seen but won’t release an “original” birth certificate that has never been released raises more questions than it answers. It undercuts the indignant claims of Obama spokesmen and supporters that the “birth certificate” has been published for months, and the ridicule and claims of “smear” that the Obama camp has made against anyone claiming otherwise.
Image: the “certification of live birth” claimed by Obama campaign as his “birth certificate”
According to an AP report, Hawaii Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday that she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.
But they won’t say one word about what’s on it.
Conspicuously, Hawaiian officials refuse to confirm that the information on the “original” certificate conforms to what has appeared on the “Certification of Live Birth” produced in 2007 that has so far been passed off as original by the Obama “Fight the Smears” site (here) and the Annenberg-backed site FactCheck.org (here). The latter dedicated a photoshoot to examining in pornographic detail a computer-generated facsimile that may bear no relation to the original document that the State of Hawaii now admits holding.
Can anyone smell “red herring”?
All of the obfuscation, which has been going on for more than four months, begs the question that the Obama campaign and its media supporters have steadfastly refused to answer: why won’t the original birth certificate be released?
Why can’t the Obama campaign do as the McCain campaign did, and release the original, typewritten document that the State of Hawaii, finally and in the last days before the election, admits exists in its “vaults”? What could be so damaging or contradictory that Obama has felt the need to keep hidden all these years and has created elaborate cover-ups to put forward computer-abstracted certification of live certificate instead of the original birth certificate?
Fukino says that no state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama’s birth certificate be handled differently. But state officials, including Lingle’s office, have consistently refused media requests for the release of the document, saying that only Obama himself, or a close family number, was authorized to have access to the “original” certificate. She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.
Apparently that does not include the American People.
And yet Obama claimed in his memoir Dreams from my Father that he had in his possession his birth certificate. Unless the document has been “lost,” he could publish the original without visiting grandma in Honolulu.
israelinsider.ning.com/profiles/blogs/hawaiian-officials-admit
Yeah, smells a little desperate to be completely honest. I wish that you didn't feel the need to have your name mixed with those guys.
Me either. But, at least this way, I can put out there, in black and white, exactly how I feel about the entire thing.
Jeff,
Stand your ground. Just like you said, you are reporting raw information - not guaranteeing its veracity or pedigree.
I think you are correct to let people draw their own conclusions. I feel most members of "the party not to be named but it starts with a 'G'" are educated enough to make their own decisions and not be swayed by glitzy "infomercials".
Thank you again for bringing the information to us -- We can decide if it is news or not. Good work !!!
Nothing will happen to Obama. He has committed crimes and nothing is or will be done about it. ACORN, Illegal campaign contributions, having a lottery, etc. Why? Why is he allowed to break laws?
Excellent job, Jeff.
-Phil
Thank you Jeff!!!! I appreciate you taking the time to put this information out for the public. Regardless of where it leads, people should have easy access to it. Thanks
Jeff,
My 2c - This is the right thing to do. Regardless of what the Obama campaign may do to bury this, someone sooner or later in the press (probably some enterprising reporter at the AP) will pick this up and start investigating the validity of this issue. They have more resources than you if they need them, and if this is true -- or false -- that will eventually come out.
You can't do this yourself, all you can do is post the information, and with as big a warning as you've stuck on the piece, only a truly foolish person would accuse you of being anything but objective in this.
For me, something doesn't smell right either. What I can't determine though is if it's something in this information, or something in the Obama campaign.
Thank you for letting us see this.
And to everyone else: assume nothing, and GO VOTE for McCAIN/PALIN !
Jeff -- Could you change the red script on your blog to maybe the light gold/yellow or similar you already have on your site? The red is really difficult to read on this end.
Thanks for posting this. While I am more than skeptical in its authenticity, perhaps it will force Obama and his campaign to release the certificate everyone is questioning.
It is sad that we do not require our candidates to be vetted before they are placed on the ballot. It is even more sad that Obama will not provide the information when it is requested.
How our country can be mesmerized by a candidate that appears to hide everything about his past is beyond my understanding and pay grade.
Thanks again.
Some preliminary thoughts:
1. Doesn't smell right? I agree, not quite right. But contrast it to the official Obama story. Smells so bad it stinks. So, if I had to choose by smell alone . . .
2. The one person at the top of this is suspicious, as you say. Maybe that's important maybe not.
3. Of more concern to me is why this was so easy? Everybody in the world seems to be gagged or fed some party line. How is it this lady "didn't get the memo"?
4. This doesn't have to be right or wrong. Nobody is asking a judge to make a criminal decision based on this episode alone. We just need to generate enough uncertainity that somebody important will get off their duffs and do just a wee amount of investigative journalism. Combined with enough legal clout or public outcry to make BHO release the records.
I don't choose to presuppose an outcome. I just think it is fraudulent and outrageous that any candidate can simply vet themselves by just saying "trust me".
thank you Jeff,
for all the work and effort you have put into this. I truly appreciate every bit of it and your honesty about everything.
I really do wish that the MSM would have done their job on this as well as they have done on smearing Palin and Joe the Plumber and everyone who has chosen to question them or Obama. It truly seem incongrous to me that Obama can get away with everything in his shady past and we know nothing about him, yet we are expected to make a Constitutional-Country Altering decision based on his denials, and no one stands up and demands that he show all of his hidden documentation-credentials to the world and especially to America.
The MSM would be tearing McCain and Palin new ones if they even thought of putting something like this over on the American People.
Claudia,
in Reno, NV
Jeff,
Here are some links from the Kenyan government website which support Obama's activity in Kenya. Take snapshots because they probably won't be up for long once they see web traffic.
http://www.communication.go.ke/media.asp?id=284
http://www.communication.go.ke/media.asp?id=291
A little too similar - a little scary. Get my drift?
"Hitler's rise to power was based upon long-term factors - resentment in the German people, the weakness of the Weimar system - which he exploited through propaganda (paid for by his rich, Communist-fearing backers), the terror of his stormtroopers, and the brilliance of his speeches.
During the 'roaring twenties' Germans ignored this vicious little man with his program of hatred. But when the Great Depression ruined their lives, they voted for him in increasing numbers. Needing support, and thinking he could control Hitler, President Hindenburg made the mistake in January 1933 of giving Hitler the post of Chancellor."
McCain is getting desperate if this is his October Surprise. LMAO.
FAITH/HOPE/LOVE!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2008!
A further thought in favor of this report being substantially correct.
The summary descriptions by the Bishop of the situation in Kenya and Obama's relationship with Odinga is EXACTLY what all the other circumstantial evidence has been showing. Given the specificity of these new statements, the signed and notarized affadavits, etc. I thinks this substantially strengthens the building circumstantial case that Obama has done (is doing?) immoral and illegal things in Kenya.
Again, I'm not looking to prove anything. I just want there to be enough doubt that the MSM and the voters will wake up and begin asking the proper questions and demanding documentation.
The list of CRITICAL items that Obama has been allowed to answer by "trust me" - AND NOTHING ELSE - is staggering and mind numbing.
I can understand next to nothing of the other end of that conversation.
Are there transcripts?
What makes this more legitimate in my mind is the abrupt news that Obama has silenced her and the rest of his Kenyan family:
(Link found on DrudgeReport.com)
http://www.ethiopianreview.com/news/3524
"“We do not want Mama Sarah Obama to be disturbed at the moment she needs time to monitor the elections as they unfold,” said Ipara."
Yet again another person with information on Obama's past saying that they won't talk to the press until AFTER Nov. 4.
Even the perpetually paranoid FReepers are laughing at this.
Seriously, anyone can doctor a "transcript." This will end up just being part of the kook fringe circle jerk over Senator Obama's allegedly mysterious location of birth.
Neverminding the fact that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.
This kind of stuff makes me ashamed to be a Republican. But I'm voting for Obama anyway.
Flame away. :)
Blogger Jeff Schreiber said...
Unfortunately, no.
If you cannot tell from the warnings and the caveats and the disclaimers, I don't like this one bit.
Still, I don't think it's my place to suppress information.
Jeff your exchange here says it all. Obama and his suppporters feel it is alright to suppress information that makes them look bad and silence those people who present that information, whereas true American's believe that all points of view should be heard without being silenced.
"Anonymous said... Even the perpetually paranoid FReepers are laughing at this."
Listen, I understand completely. Still, I felt that I have no place sitting on information.
I just ask that people decide for themselves -- personally, it's a little too "out there" for me, and the grainy nature of the audio only makes me think more that it is not for real.
Still, again, it needs to be put out there. Full disclosure.
Hilarious...a guy putting out disinformation, with a conscience.
Jeff, do you really think if you had held back, no one else would have put this crap out?
And once again, just like with the API crap, it this latest attempt fails, we can all blame black people, right? Imagine that, disinformation artists with s sense of humor. What will the right wing think of next?
You guys have no honor.
You guys have no integrity.
You guys have no shame.
John Dean
SluggoJD
"Still, again, it needs to be put out there. Full disclosure."
I understand, and if anything it just confirms -- even for the FReeper tinfoil-hatters -- that this whole thing was cooked up by a few fringe kooks (Mr. Berg and the Bible-thumping caller with an agenda) who tried to take an innocent conversation out of context.
If you want to retain your credibility, I suggest that part of your "advisory" should include at least a little bit of commentary and/or analysis. These guys wasted a lot of our courts' time and resources, and unfairly smeared my candidate of choice with baseless, out of context "transcripts."
But I do thank you for posting the audio for clearing it up for the FReepers. Now y'all can start talking about issues again, maybe?
:)
-the Republican for Obama
What's wrong with black people?
I just have a problem with socialists who, despite associating themselves with known terrorists and supporters of foreign and domestic terrorist, want the presidency and the highest security clearance in the land.
Black people are a-okay with me.
Anyone who believes that in 1961, a Kenyan man who couldn't afford to go to the US if it weren't for a scholarship, paid for a trip to take his pregnant wife on a plane ride from Hawaii to Nairobi, travel 200 miles from Nairobi airport to Kogelo to pick up Grandma Sarah, travel 600 miles on dirt roads to Mombasa to give birth, travel 600 miles back to the village to drop off Grandma Sarah, and then travel 200 miles back to Nairobi to fly back to Hawaii to register Baby Barack's birth there is a complete friggin idiot.
Jeff,
I understand your skepticism, however I think I would have reported this in a "facts only" manner and then disclaimed in another post. In my opinion the problem is that you inject your thoughts of skepticism directly into the meat of the story and anyone that wishes to believe the documents and evidence are already swayed by your bias.
I would rather see the facts and had your comments separated. Just my 2c.
Remember this is gov't by and for the people. And if our own MSM will not get out to Kenya and talk to this beautiful woman and give us the straight and narrow as they define 'mainstream media', then it is left to the citizens to turn over ever stone.
Kudos!
It's hard to prove that conversation is authentic. It could've been anyone on the other line of that call. I seen a video earlier this month where it's alleges that Sarah Obama says Barack is a native of this village. But in her language, I don't understand that language and I can't confirm that's what she is saying.
Not to mention could the interviewer have given a misleading question to get the answer that "Barack is a native of this village. Because Sen. Obama share the same name as his father. And the question could've been about his father. Anyways here's the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4FqVRWgrNw
I see John Dean is back doing his usual Obama protection "dance" Please John, do yourself a favor and find another vocation other than working for the Obama "thug" campaign as it truly gets boring watching you "appear" on every site that dares to scrutinize Obama and his efforts to convince us his word is enough when in fact it doesn't come close to answering a litany of questions as to his salubrious associations and past. Thank you Jeff for your hard work and honesty in these matters. I admire and appreciate your tireless dedication concerning matters that are controversial yet always giving your readers the final verdict to make their own decision.
At 2:55 into this absurd tape, "the Bishop" says "Tell her I count it a great honor to speak to her, since her son, Barack Obama, is running for President of the United States."
Amazingly, nothing comes back from the other side about the simple fact that Barack is not her son.
One would think that the real Grandma would know that it was her grandson, not her son, that is running...and would say something accordingly, that would then supposedly be translated back into English and said back to "the Bishop."
Let's not let a little truth and facts get in the way of the right wing slime machine, right?
The dishonorable Bishop then goes on to say he is praying for Obama, would like to come by in December and see Grandma and pray with her, then coughs up an "amen" as if he has the slightest clue what that means...and then launches right into the Kenyan birthplace thing.
Hilarious.
But at least you can sleep tonight, having expressed your conscience while putting out this crap for the sake of "full disclosure."
Like I said, no honor, no integrity, and no shame.
John Dean
SluggoJD
Judging from the comments in this thread, it looks like the paid Obama bloggers have found America's Right.
It was bound to happen. I'm just surprised it took so long.
It bothers me everytime
I hear somone say that anyone against Obama must hate blacks. most people don't care that the man is black. The only one making out on the racial issue of this election is Obama. 88% support of black men. Everyone else gets hurt because Obama is black. I'd think Obama would have taken a stance asking the blacks to research who he is and not just vote for him because he is black.
Jeff,
Color me dumb, but does the suspected Obama's campaigning for Raila Odinga potentially violate TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 45, § 953?
I've seen little that supports this other than Corsi's reporting of such.
Only a big government RINO would be for Obongo
For what it's worth, a slew of new court cases have been filed; a Vice President of some obscure party has filed a suit; and supposedly a group of actual Electors is filing suit on Monday.
I'm not sure if any of those plaintiffs would have any more standing than Berg prior to an election.
If Obama wins the election, I think the legal way to go would be for the RNC and McCain to file suit challenging the results of the election based on the Constitutional requirement. Of course, I don't think the RNC or McCain would touch the issue at this point.
Thanks for posting this. I was also skeptical. Unfortunately, I still am.
I have a background in voice communications, both commercial and Amateur Radio - which means being able to understand human speech in the poorest of conditions.
There are very few moments [in the downloaded audio] where I can discern a woman's voice. I'm going to go over it again, using some filtering, but I'm not hopeful.
If there's no recognizable woman's voice, there can't be much hope for verifying the translation. Admittedly, I don't do forensic audio analysis. But, I would be extremely surprised if anything can be pulled out by someone who does, which can be used as evidence in a court of law.
It would be nice if this was something concrete, as there is something not quite right about this birth certificate issue. I don't think it'll go anywhere, though. Besides, there are enough things about Obama's past that ARE documented and are troubling enough to keep him out of the Presidency.
So, um... where is Sarah Obama's affidavit?
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Jeff, I really appreciate you posting this despite your doubts about its validity, and for your messages explaining why you think that way. If only the mainstream media was more like this. You're absolutely right that it should be up to each person to decide if the information is correct. What's important is the information is out there, not censored. I think you did the right thing!
I think if this tape is legit, it can be enhanced and all the background noise can be eliminated and the conversation grandma obama and her son seem to have back and forth can be heard more clearly.
It seems that there was another conversation taking place between the two of them behind the scene when the question relating to her being present at obama's birth in Kenya was asked.
I wouldn't entirely discount the tapes, but if they are to admitted into evidence, they must be enhanced and the "behind the scenes" conversation MUST be translated.
Jeff said:
"I just have a problem with socialists who, despite associating themselves with known terrorists and supporters of foreign and domestic terrorist, want the presidency and the highest security clearance in the land."
Given the points you listed, why are you voting for McCain?
Socialist = McCain's mortgage buyout and bailout support.
Associating with Terrorists = McCain's friend Gordon Liddy who he is "proud of"
I just don't get how you guys can blame one for the same faults as the one you champion.
What the affidavit and the Court filings do not mention, however, is that McRae is better known stateside as a "street minister," and that his "bishop" title is largely self-applied. A September 10, 2005 article in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette describes McRae as a "self-proclaimed Anabaptist bishop" who "has felt it his calling to disrupt the lives of gays, Catholics, Mormons, Muslims, Jehovah's Witnesses and whatever other among the citizenry he considers the future entree at the Almighty's celestial barbecue come Judgment Day."
I don't know anything about McRae; never heard of him before today.
However, the quotation from the newspaper does not strike me as impartial -- anything but! I suspect the "journalist" who wrote those words holds all of traditional Christianity in disrepute. I further suspect that journalist would describe any normal exercise of free speech by those he disagrees with as "disruptive."
Who is McRae: good guy, bad guy, in-between? I don't know. But to introduce him, you seem to have chosen a source with an obvious bias....
I'm glad you posted this; it was the right decision.
Phil Berg must have thought this information was important or he would have never offered it as evidence to the Supreme Court.
Phil climbed the highest tree in the land and then crawled out on a limb while leaving a saw in the Court's hand.
Not just any attorney can offer up an appeal to the SC and argue the case. The case being placed on the docket, shows there is some merit to the argument.
It's pretty Obavious the woman has been coached. Why bother muddying the water. The give away phrase is "america"...
complete waste of time and not worth the effort.
Too unbelievable? We are dealing with a guy who befriends and supports Ayers, Dorn, Wright, Rezco, Odinga, Khalidi, etc., attracts the admiration of the Muslim world, used to belong to the socialist party, promises to raise taxes, won't share a shred of documentation from his past, changes his mind more often than his shirt, and the American people will vote for him for president. And you people think a tape from Kenya is unbelievable??? Are you serious??? I'm not saying everything is legit, but nothing would surprise me at this point.
Ouch! I can see why you say it is iffy...it is. There is obviously an agenda in operation here but, at the same time, that does not negate the validity of the information.
That said - where there is this much smoke, there's bound to be a fire...even if it's just a little one.
We have to remember that it is Obama, himself, who has lent wings to these rumors by taking the legal actions he has in the cases filed against him and by not publicly producing the certificate of live birth that he claims exists.
And here's the clincher...this conspiracy is hurting Obama's support in at least one sector of the voters...those who have the ability to peruse the Net. So, it behooves him to lay it to rest - as quickly and as succinctly as he can.
And yet he does not.
This is a case of either narcissistic arrogance on his part (don't tell me what to do...)or it is a case of hiding his information from the public.
Either way...it does not help his public perception as being a good presidential choice.
Thanks Jeff for producing the evidence.
Were Barrack smart (and on the up and up) he would make a public statement.
I'm not holding my breath.
G
Jeff,
You keep saying something doesn't smell right to you. Well, I'll tell you what has never smelled right to me: the assertion that Obams was born in Kenya. If his mother knew that BHO, Sr, had a wife and child in Kenya, why would she have gone there to give birth? And if she didn't know, it was because he was hiding it, so why would he have taken her there to give birth? There’s no sense to the story of a Kenyan birth.
Weather Underground just posted yesterday. Forget the BC, THIS is the big story. It ties everything together, mapped out over 30 years ago.
http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=70
Jeff,
You did the right thing putting this out. We can decide for ourselves from here on. Keeping people in the dark is not the answer. Full disclosure is. Regarding the bishop, there's nothing wrong with street preachers. At one time they were very common. Billy Sunday for example. Regarding the memorial. I saw that symbol and it does resemble the Islamic symbol. After 9/11, it became politically correct to accept Islam and reject Christianity. This makes no sense but it has happened in the name of tolerance. I'm not familiar with that bishop you spoke of but God calls people into the ministry not man. Every minister is self-proclaimed but not every minister is God-called. Thanks again for posting this and letting us decide for ourselves.
Jeff:
I think that you are being kind when you call Obama a socialist.
He is a communist who has toned down his positions to make them more PC so that he would be accepted by the MSM in America which is controlled by socialists.
But make no mistake about it, there is no difference between Obama, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, Mao, Chavez, Castro.
They are all communists. If Obama gets elected he will follow in their footsteps in every way including the elimination of those who oppose him.
Obmamites who play the race card.
It has been shown that Obama is a racist just like Charles Barkley, Farrakan, Sharpton, Jackson, Wright etc.
America is populated with millions of black racists and Obama is the most well known one.
INJUSTICE!
Judge orders White House to produce wiretap memos for suit brought by civil liberty groups! But they won't require Mr. Obama to submit his original birth certificate?
What has happened to the justice system today?
These guys wasted a lot of our courts' time and resources, and unfairly smeared my candidate of choice with baseless, out of context "transcripts."
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Cut the bull.
You jerks in Obamaland vetted & smeared Sarah Palin, Joe The Plummer, and John McCain endlessly. Yet we aren't allowed to examine the background of the secretive Democratic idiotic "messiah" running for the highest office in the United States??
Go screw yourselves with a rusty nail.
For the Obama supporters -
First, remember that our "objective" media did nothing to discuss any issues that were even slightly questionable about Hitl- I mean Obama. Second, this election is not about the economy and your 401K, etc., etc....it's about saving America. Look at Hitler's rise to power, and how this man came out of nowhere...both men stepped into a situation in which they could exploit the culture of resentment. These people who want "change" are about to get it, but they have no idea what's actually coming. A vote for him sentences my children to a lifetime of communist control. If you think that's impossible, then you're not nearly as smart as you fancy yourself.
Everybody is just going off the rails here-this is a situation which has not come up before-there apparently has been no practical enforcement mechanism in place for Article II of the Constitution-in the interest of fairness to all citizens of the Nation before the election, knowing that there was a question circulating regarding this issue-both campaigns should have released sufficient clarifying information-however the Obama camp has made a conscious decision not to release medical records, school records or birth records-You decide! But given the incident regarding Hillarys tax returns which Obama compelled her to commit to release-where was McCain in demanding the release of Obamas records?
Thanks Jeff for putting out the info! Something is just not right here.
Great work, Jeff!
This is really one of the saddest moments in America History. The fact that huge numbers of Americans can not spot this phony who, along with his Communist cronies is trying to take over our government is frightening.
BO could put this all to rest tomorrow with two documents--a real birth certificate and evidence that he is a U.S. Citizen. Instead, he chooses to spend thousands of dollars on legal fees to fight the truth. There's only one reason a sane person would do that and that is that they have something to hide. Hello, America...WAKE UP!
Thank you Jeff and thank you Phil Berg!
jeff,
I wrote here before...Knowing the truth can be more devastating to the US,,then not knowing the truth.
The crisis we have here and abroad with war and the economy, security of the US...We dont need rioting in our streets.....Another good example is 9/11 do we really know the truth??????
it this latest attempt fails, we can all blame black people, right?
Comments like this are irresponsible and inflammatory. Most people are capable of deciding who they will vote for based on issues and platform. Obama happens to be half-black. So what? If he and his followers can't take the risk of being rejected politically and have to resort to pulling out the race card every time things don't go their way, then America is not ready for a black president. Not because white America is too racist to put a man of color on the ticket (he wouldn't be there without substantial white support) but because there are still too many people who use racism as a way to manipulate others into getting their way. We will never get past real racism as long as it's used as a tool for blaming innocent people. In fact, if Erica Jong and those predicting huge civil disturbances if Obama loses may find the indiscriminate flinging of racism around and using it as a excuse for violence will backfire. Events like this could easily make those people who have and do support minorities tire of trying to help only to be repeatedly called racists. Wake up people of color! Wake up people of poverty! Whenever any problem persists, ask yourself who benefits? It's not the ordinary citizens of any socioeconomic group or skin color. Ask the most racist guy in America if he'd rather see minorities and low income people become independent or if he'd rather pay higher taxes to provide for them and it won't take him a second to answer. People vote their pocketbooks. The only people who benefit are the ones who promise a chicken in every pot, forty acres and a mule. He must have someone to promise he'll save them in order to get reelected, but whatever he promises must not work in providing actual change or he jeopardizes his job security. And the other people who benefit are the guys who blame everything on race, who tells the minorities they have no responsibilities except to blame someone else. Both of these people create dependency, persuading minorities that they can't advance without them championing their cause when in reality all they do is foster poverty and racism for personal gain. Think! It's not racist to choose not to vote for Obama. If the polls are skewed because of Obama's color, it's because people have said they were voting for him when they're not, due to legitimate issue differences, and these voters don't want some guy pointing his finger at them and crying racism. Do you not see you've been had? And it's not the average citizen who has mislead you. The best defense against racism and poverty is success and that can only be obtained through education, employment and more importantly, by personal accomplishment. Social programs can help in the interim, but they will never solve the problem. Neither will blame.
has anyone sent this to FOX news
this will never go anywhere. he's publicly said his grandma has alzheimers and in swahili. more garbage that will never see the light of day. reeks of desperation, like the nonexistent "whitey' tapes and the "api' tapes. you've been had my friend
we republicans deserve to lose after this crap! aren't you a little embarrassed of yourself? it's going to be a landslide for obama and we need a few years in exile to get our shit together.
Amazing. Here's my thought: What are anabaptist doing with democrats? Or visa versa? If anything, I believes this PROVES the verasity of it. It just seems like a very unlikely partnership. The only common thread would be that of a truth-seeker. Plus, an anabapist missionary just doesn't seem to me like someone that would be involved in a hoax.
Odd. Odd. Odd. Another thing. If 86 million people are looking at this stuff, then where are all the comments? It seems as if the buzz has slowed down. I don't know. You tell me.
Regardless, it is news. It is a disgrace that this will probably never get to MSM. Nevermind the bias, just the fear of all this being true is down right scarey. If I had the power and ability to blow the horn, so to speak, and I knew it all to be true, the fear of the ramifications and further exposure of what is really out there would make me hesitant. Out of utter fear, you know?
Also, regardless of who wins this election, I sure would like to know the truth about this Obama fella. I'm afraid that WHEN McCain wins, this might get forgotten. I mean the MSM has managed almost completely smother this, and get a way with it. Conservatives and Republicans I believe really just don't believe it. It seems like a long shot to them, a dream, ridiculous.
Well, I've been praying that God would take the man down. The man is an enemy of God. Maybe with all this interaction with the Anabaptists, he might get saved! :)
Jeff,
Thanks for leaving the information and your disclosures. Like you, I've been skeptical about it, but with all of the other inconsistancies in the Obama campaign it makes it easy to grasp onto something like this. He could put it all to rest if he'd simply provide the original.
I want to get this out on the blogs for all to consider:
Barrack Obama expects of you what he won’t do himself and he plans on making the government responsible for being your keeper.
Barrack Obama wants to redistribute wealth, he wants to spread it around. The problem is that he wants to redistribute YOUR wealth, not his own. From 2000-2004 Barrack Obama averaged $244,000 per year in income. His charitable giving came to less then 1% of his income (the same holds true for his running mate Joe Biden). They’re cheap skates. They don’t want to spread their wealth only yours.
According to an Obama spokesman their miserly giving “was as generous as they could be at the time.” They claim that they were not able to give anymore. But he expects you to give more, in fact, he’s going to make sure that you give more then he (and Biden) was able/willing to give.
He lives in a big mansion in Chicago- but does nothing for them except demand that others take care of them. Hypocracy?
This man was in church where the Bible subscribes to a tithe of 10% (he mustn’t have been there for those sermons).
In 2005 Obama’s income skyrocketed to $1,655,106 and he increased his charitable gifts to 4.7% of his income. I guess he was able to be a little more generous, but that’s probably as generous as he could be at the time.
Obama/Biden feel that a voluntary charitable system will not work and therefore it is necessary for the government to step in and redistribute the wealth. When we have people like Obama and Biden who are not charitable, it can’t work. A study of the most charitable states showed in 2004 that 27 of the 30 most charitable states were red (republican states) and 17 of the least charitable states were blue (democratic siding states).
Senator Obama- you could do us all a favor by practicing what you preach. It’s sad that I make far less then you, but out give you MANY times over. I gave more in new coats to the homeless last year then you gave in a year when you earned $259,000. Your best year to date, I bested with 1/10th of your income. I don’t need you to tell me how to redistribute my wealth. The persons who need a lesson are you and your running mate. Perhaps you can teach your followers how to be charitable, just look at the red states (sadly I live in a blue state) if you need a lesson, many of us already know how to redistribute our wealth, we don’t need your help. Why should we trust you with our wealth when you don’t even use yours the right way?
SC
McCain has nothing to do with this to those who made those comments. The disgusting thing here is if it was McCain with these types of accusations, if it was McCain with associations of insane neo-Nazis, or abortion clinic bombers in his past, the man would be strung up. The double standard with which our media has treated Obama and his highly questionable associations is absolutely sickening.
However, I'm skeptical over this Sarah Obama story as well. This reminds me of those fax and email scams from someone in Nigeria who has this bank account and yada yada...I'm sure you've all seen those. But I'm more skeptical because WHO would have the audacity to ignore our CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENTS and take the risk to lie about his origins to become president? If he's willfully lying about this...my God, that's a scary thought I really don't want to think about. At the moment, and in consideration of something more concrete, I'm actually more disheartened over the hypocrisy of someone getting up to a podium, running for office, telling us we're selfish if we don't want higher taxes, saying "i am my brother's keeper" and his blood relative is in the country illegally, in public housing, supported by taxpayers, when he has millions. Share the wealth indeed. You know what he hasn't mentioned though is that conservatives in the US give more to charity than liberals-here are a few interesting stats:
-- Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).
-- Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.
-- Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.
-- Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.
-- In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.
-- People who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.
Brooks demonstrates a correlation between charitable behavior and "the values that lie beneath" liberal and conservative labels. Two influences on charitable behavior are religion and attitudes about the proper role of government.
I'm sorry, but that stuff about him not knowing she was there--she donated to the campaign (as a foreign national--how did they accept that money anyway?) and she was "affectionately" mentioned in his book, and she's been in the country for 5 years---he never knew??
Jeff, I'm a new reader, thanks for posting. You give well-balanced explanations and comments.
I have a big problem with Obama automatically getting the highest security clearance. I guarantee that Obama would never qualify for a clearance if he were a regular person. The fact that he used to associate with radical figures and his drug use would be enough for the investigator to question his judgement. Also, there would be big problems with associating with foreign nationals. This is coming from someone who holds a clearance.
Thank you, Jeff, for posting the information. I believe that if the information, tapes, rumors, whatever is in the news, then report on it....let the people decide.
Now, if BO were to present his true Birth Certificate, we can make the final decision on that issue, too. Let's line up all 4 candidates holding their BCs..BO will come up short if he continues to hold up that COLB.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16aBNduAyQ4
Great Job!
People can criticize and mock all they want, but the fact still remains that Obama MADE this an issue. The one thing that his well-oiled campaign machine cannot seem to do is produce the man's "vault" birth certificate. Every American citizen can relate to how uncomplicated it is to do this. For some inexplicable(?) reason Mr. Obama (who seems able to accomplish the extraordinary)cannot seem to accomplish this. If there is a "vault" birth certificate for Mr. Obama, this well oiled campaign machine would have produced it without hesitation at the start of the controversy. There is no such American "vault" birth certificate to produce.
FWIW:
Obama/Odinga may be Luo, the political discord in Kenya is between Luo & Kikuyu tribes.
Kenya's Kikuyu speak Gikuyu, a Bantu language, as their native tongue. Additionally, many speak Swahili and English as well, the official languages of Kenya.
Obama's step-grandma fluency in Swahili may reflect her exposure to the above languages.
Clearly, BHO and his supporters believe adherence to the Constitution is optional. They choose not to and when given power to dilute or destroy it they will. The only hope for our country and her Constitution is for those of opposed to BHO ideals to get to the polls on Tuesday. This contest can only be won at the polls.
Phil Berg will, in the end, be disbarred for this stunt.
And all the people who have gone along with this bizarre X-Files conspiracy theory will either come to realize their folly, or go on with their hate and delusions.
This is why I hate election years. Always the same thing---hysteria over politicians that never amounts to anything.
Why, Bill Clinton is supposed to be our dictator right now according to the hysteria, because he was going to impose martial law, and establish his kingdom. And George Bush (I) was supposed to turn us into a CIA state.
George Jr. had armed thugs physically restraining black people within reach of the polls, preventing them from voting and thus stealing elections.
It's embarrassing that you would publish something as silly as this.
To Obamaphile(s) who posted above.
You seem to be missing the whole point. Most of us are willing to accept the fact that your candidate was born in Hawaii, just not on faith alone. Please ask your candidate to release his records like every other candidate has. Let's find out the truth together. If your theory is correct, you have nothing to fear.
Rather than just flaming and insults, this would be the best way to prove you are right. This is a reasonable and righteous request.
Phil
I find it impossible to read the transcript of the conversation. Can you type it up so we can read it.
thanks for your help.
I still believe in Berg and this case and the evidence. It is very difficult to find super solid evidence under such difficult circumstances. It takes a lot of money to send people around the world to gather info. Berg is a good person who is doing much more than most people to dig out the truth. the object of the case is to get obama to show the information that is closed up. Once the college records, birth certificate and other information is presented by Obama then we can make a better decision.
stop acting like berg has to prove everything before he gets the information.
thanks for typing up the transcript so people can read it.
I heard that Obama has a vagina. No verification on that - but felt it was honest of me, as I am a real American, to get it out there and let the people decide. Full disclosure and all. I can provide emails and audio clips as well. Perhaps a picture?
Well, I voted early and voted right. Now, if only Barry will lose, then I'll be more than happy. However, I think this guy really needs to be investigated after the election too because if he loses, Barry could well have another chance in the future.
I think it is right to question such serious allegations.
Yet as I see it, Obama fuels the fire by distancing himself from his assumed Kenyan relatives and worse, by not producing the claimed proof of birth.
If I ran for president, I would not hesitate to produce my birth certificate. It would be much easier than getting hauled into court and having my beloved relatives questioned.
I think the Republicans would like to have a precedent so they could run Schwarzenager - the California governor from Austria.
Politicians no longer care about the Constitution. Nowadays, the Constitution is in the same pile of contempt that the Ten Commandments have been tossed into. Moral Relativism is killing us. No civilization has ever survived it. This one won't either.
I have to order a copy of my certified birth certificate with raised seal in order to get a passport... now I can only wonder if what they send me is my genuine birth certificate... guess I will never know. Annabelle the sheep has gone to sleep listening to this worthless tape.
Jeff, your coverage of the Berg suit and series of events surrounding it was outstanding and meticulously done. You are an extremely fair individual. The audio and transcripts do indeed seem fishy and do not help Berg's waning credibility, though I truly appreciate him bringing attention to the whole issue of Obama's citizenship to light. And I appreciate you laying it all out for each person to come to his or her own conclusions.
The birth certificate issue may be moot now but Obama's citizenship is not IMO. He admitted to CNN in July he lived in Indonesia for a number of years so my thought is that he forfeited his citizenship when he stayed there for what seems to be a few years - his own words - see the 5th comment down from Obama.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/13/zakaria.obama/
Perhaps in the end the birth certificate may not matter but when one's campaign stonewalls on this and so many other items, like his medical and school transcripts and citizenship papers, and constantly refuses to respond to anything questionable or potentially adverse, you know something is not quite right.
Some of us may respectfully disagree on the veracity of certain documents and items, which is fair game, but one thing is not in doubt - when you're silent on the dubious nature of the things you're charged with, your silence becomes deafening and your credibility in jeopardy (as though Obama had any to begin with). And that's primarily why, though the COLB/BC may be indeed irrelevant now, there's something seriously wrong when Obama and the DNC ask for Berg's case to be dismissed without publicly saying anything and/or pointing to proof. Maybe it wasn't the birth certificate so much as the issue as it is something relative to it that would be exposed if Obama and the DNC spoke out. Just my 2 cents.
Again, great work, Jeff.
Jeff, after reading the affidavits, I think this tape is a hoax. I took Kiswahili for three years in middle school, and two more in college, both times taught by a native Kenyan, and there are a number of mistakes that a native speaker wouldn't make.
"REv. Shuhubia" says in his affidavit that he spoke in "Swahili," but "swahili" is not hte term for the language that native speakers use. Swahili refers to the culture and people, while Kiswahili is the language.
In addition, although I cannot hear the tape very welll, it sounds as though they mispronounce vowels consistently; in Kiswahili, an i is always pronounced "ee" as in "feed" or "seed", but it sounds like they pronounce it similar to how it would sound in English.
This is as light as a field lark without a credible translation of what is being said. You need to get a translation from a major university professor or three. Without it, all this is a waste of time. I'm amazed Berg didn't do this already.
Unfortunately, that tape is worthless and does much to damage Berg's credibility. At this point, those chasing after Obama based on citizenship seem like conspiracy theorists, or at the least quite guillible. Consider this:
I've read and researched a great deal of things in the past two weeks and I come to this conclusion:
One, Obama IS a citizen, although I don't think he was born in Hawaii. Thus the reluctance to show his vault copy of a birth certificate.
Two, the DNC and his campaign know this. His campaign has known all along and devised a strategy to deal with a potentially problematic issue. Let me explain.
If Obama was born in Kenya, as many believe. His mother's american citizenship should have overridden everything. However, at the time of his birth, the law had stated that his Mother would have had to have lived 10 years in the USA, 5 of those years after the age of 14. Obama was born 3 months prior to Stanley Dunham turning 19, thus that would have invalidated any claims to US citizenship. Now of course, no one was thinking baby Barack was going to have aspirations to the highest office in the land, so any conspiracy theorist that would approach this aspect is a fool and nuts! (lol) I believe in 1972 congress changed that law and made it that the person had to live in the US, 10 years, with only 2 years time in the US, after the age of 14, AND they made it retroactive to 1952!!!!!
NOW, WHAT IF, Obama and CO. knowing this, AND also realizing that he's already going to have a million problems running for POTUS, not to mention he's BLACK, his middle name is Hussein, and he attended a Muslim school. It becomes OBVIOUS, this guy has some PR Hurdles to overcome! Adding a foreign birth to the mix, EVEN though it has NO weight at this time, just wouldn't have been to "good!" Hawaii allows for a birth certificate to be amended for a foreign born, and THIS situation would have rose to this occasion! Since Honolulu was the current residence of his Mother at the time, retroactively, it could be claimed as his place of residence and listed on his certificate as place of birth, although "actual" records could indicate foreign born, Kenya, under American mother.
This of course is all just a theory, but it is as good as any of the others out there that attempt to explain why he WILL NOT release a vault copy of his birth certificate, for of course, if he did, it would go to his integrity, as he would not have LIED, but merely OMITTED certain information. Moreover, it may also answer why he hasn't released any college records, as they may show he was able to attain financial assistance as a foreign born. Nothing wrong there, just speaks to his ability to USE the system, and again in a RACE for POTUS, in a country like ours, it is better to just keep stuff like that quiet, provide a birth certificate showing the TRUTH, that he IS a citizen, and DROP IT! It's one of those, Damned if you do, Damned if you don't scenarios. Much better to go the route he's going and keep all other records sealed. That way, it becomes a "minor" controversy that has the blessing of the MSM as being resolved. End of Story.
Furthermore, I am sure that somewhere, the Indonesian issue is handled, as well. Barack Obama is well on his way to becoming the 44th POTUS. He will implement a new agenda that will usher in a new dependence on a "command" type of economy. Our minds will be retrained and reeducated to enjoy the indoctrination and America will move quietly into its new position in the Global NWO. Enjoy.
Excellent, as always, Jeff.
You did the right thing.
There is already too much suppression of info in this country by the MSM.
Two Points.
1. Berg has always maintained that Obama's Indonesian citizenship is the main issue, no matter where he was born.
2. The real controversy regarding the birth certificate is the legal wrangling employed by the Obama camp and the constant theme of diversions, lies and deceit. McCain provided a vault birth certificate to Congress. Obama is avoiding the issue.
anonymous wrote:
I don't know anything about McRae; never heard of him before today.
However, the quotation from the newspaper does not strike me as impartial -- anything but! I suspect the "journalist" who wrote those words holds all of traditional Christianity in disrepute. I further suspect that journalist would describe any normal exercise of free speech by those he disagrees with as "disruptive."
Fair 'nuff.
How 'bout something from a less biased source? Like the Street Preachers' Fellowship, which was founded and is chaired by McRae himself.
Here are some excerpts from a news item on their website:
SPF Preachers Exhort
The National Organization of Wackos, Witches & Whores
WASHINGTON, D.C.- The Street Preachers’ Fellowship traveled again to the Nation’s capital to preach to the NOW Parade of rebellious women, made up of 250,000 witches, whores, wackos and weight lifters who failed at being women.
...
And while 99% of all the pastors in and around the nation’s capital did nothing, 250,000 of the liberal swine of female rebellion paraded down the middle of the streets of D.C., cursing, swearing, taking God’s name in vain, stripping their clothes off, and routinely smelling up the nation’s capital with their filthiness, whoredom and rebellion.
Nice folks, aren't they?
Oooooh. Rebellious women! Can't have that.
Why?
Well here's a clue.
Here are the women in McRae's life, wearing the extremist fundamentalist Christian equivalent of the extremist fundamentalist Muslim burqa:
See the Difference Christ Makes? Grandma McRae
The link title by the way is from the photograph's caption on the website.
k
Jeff:
I apreciate your courage but I think that this post just blew out any law career you may have wanted and probably put you and your family at some physical risk in the future.
Unfortunately Obama will clean up all opposition and dispose of them.
America was a great country until the 60s. From then on it has been down hill.
We all know what happened in South Africa when Mandela took over. It will get uglier here because here Obama has a lot broader base of Communist support.
I believe that nothing short of actual documentation will be accepted by any court. Audio tapes can be staged. Unfortunately, Kenya will not allow us to view any documentation.
Thanks for posting all information you have Jeff. Certainly protects your credibility and that will be needed in the future if Obama is elected. You may need an offshore server to protect yourself from the "fairness doctrine".
It is best that the public accepts the Hawaiian birth certificate. This will keep Odinga from using his records to blackmail Obama. If Berg strikes out in the Supreme Court, at very least there should be Congressional action for full disclosure of any candidate including BC, funding, health records, colege records, etc. This will keep Obama from running again in 2012. His ability to collect huge amounts of money will only be repeated in 2012.
from Mainemom
Rehead,
I will agree that not all the pieces add up here, but there is just way too much smoke not to think something is smoldering somewhere.
Just answer me this. Obama himself could so easily have ended all speculation by simply producing the original typewritten birth certificate Hawaiian officials aknowledge does exist.
Why didn't he do that?
I am not delusional or motivated by hate. I just want straight answers. And every responsible voter should be asking these same questions.
Thank you Jeff. You have done a yeoman's job in stewarding the public interest through the swirl of information that surrounds and confounds this topic.
What you have demonstrated most exposed the courage the corporate media does NOT have; respect for viewers they utterly lack as self-appointed elitists pretending to be out betters.
We are indeed capable of sorting this for ourselves. This controversy exists and can only exist because of Obama's choice to remain cryptic and exploit the law in his bad faith attempt to prevent any objective confirmatory review of his vault record Certificate Of Live Birth.
What has been revealed is Obama's contempt for the average American.
What has been revealed is Obama's narcissism and malignant indifference to the reasonable interests of others.
What has been revealed is the deep pathology that dominates the psychology and values of Barack Obama.
What other man would not willingly make his bona fides immediately available for scrutiny by the public he proports to serve as it's President?
It is clear. Obama comes not to lead but to rule.
And to "change the world."
What malignancy. What profound, pernicious malignancy.
Obama: We’ll bankrupt any new coal plants
Here is some audio in english that everyone can understand. If you live in a state or work in any industry that receives any revenue from coal (heavy equipment tires etc.)Obamah explains how he will harm you, your state and your wallet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ
First, John Galt, how would it endanger my law career? Because I'm pointing out the deficiencies in Berg's filings? Because I refuse to buy into anything and everything which crosses my plate?
Second, and most importantly, if you even mention my FAMILY and PHYSICAL HARM again, that post will be your last here. This, even a concerned mention in passing, I take extremely seriously.
I have been nothing but fair here, despite my natural political leanings.
Let me be perfectly clear -- any mention of my family will not be tolerated, and may very likely be treated as a threat.
GOT IT?
"You guys have no honor.
You guys have no integrity.
You guys have no shame.+
Thats a joke right? Obama trying to silence the media if they disagree with him, kicking reporters off of planes, the "Get in their face" mentality, the funny money from funny named contributors, sitting in a church with his kids listening to the garbage spewed out of a so called preacher, the anti Jew hater, the endless "I didn't know" Letting his brothers live in poverty, taking money from his Aunt illegally because she is a illegal living off tax payer money, giving money to ACORN to help with voter fraud.
Dont come here telling us we have no shame. Look at your own Candidate. DOES HE HAVE NO SHAME??
It is going to be such joy when McCain wins (and he IS going to win) and watching the haters like you have a break down. The American people are a lot smarter then you think. They wont put a communist in office.
Blunt rip:
Vice presidential Candidate filing lawsuit against Obama(24 Electoral College electors also filing)
Peoples Passions ^ | 10/31/08 | Steve Marquis
Posted on Sunday, November 02, 2008 2:41:36 AM by A_Niceguy_in_CA
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Vice presidential Candidate filing lawsuit against Obama
Contact: Steve Marquis Telephone Number: 425-698-7084 Email Address: peoplesvoice@peoplespassions.org Web site address: http://peoplespassions.org
Wiley S. Drake, Sr. wileydrake@hotmail.com
Vice presidential Candidate Wiley S. Drake Sr. to file in court asking to de-certify Barack Obama because he has refused to release proof of being a Natural Born Citizen, thereby disqualifying Obama in his bid for the Office of President.
The recent Lawsuit in Washington State demanding their Secretary of State to vet the citizenship credentials of Barack Obama has spawned a slew of similar suits with new lawsuits filed and/or prepared in WA, FL, NC, CO, CA, OH, FL, CT, GA, TX, MI. Related lawsuits HI, US District.
As part of this effort, this group of citizens from states across the union made an outreach to the whole presidential slate asking each candidate for president and vice president to offer up a certified copy of their birth certificates and any related candidate declarations to be placed in a library made available to the public via a non-partisan web site.
At least one VP candidate Wiley S. Drake Sr. went the next step and agreed to file a lawsuit of his own to demand the disqualification of Barack Obama unless he can prove status as a ”Natural Born Citizen” as the constitution and federal statues demand and define.
In another unrelated action, though also aimed at forcing Obama to release proof or step down, 24 potential Electoral College electors are filing action Monday morning in court also demanding proof. A call is herein being issued to any elector in any state, especially democrat electors who would like to join that effort. Electors interested in adding their name to this lawsuit can contact Mr. Marquis who will put you in contact with the attorney handling that case.
Contact: Steve Marquis Telephone Number: 425-698-7084 Email Address: peoplesvoice@peoplespassions.org
Wiley S. Drake, Sr. wileydrake@hotmail.com
Obama's police state isn't something we've dreamed up.
READ OBAMA'S LIPS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s
THIS IS NO JOKE. OBAMA SPEAKS IN COLORADO SPRINGS 7/2/2008
He's planing to create a "NATIONAL SECURITY FORCE" as well funded as the military (that's ARMY+NAVY+MARINES+COAST GUARD+AIR FORCE) - and there is NOTHING in the U.S. Constitution to stop him although it's illegal now according to cusc.org
Wiretaps used to be Illegal too, then Geo. W. Bush legalized it and as a Democrat faithful to our country, I've been on a four-year letter writing campaign to expose this and the atrocities occurring a t Gitmo.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO GET SOMETHING WORSE? JEEZ, GIVE US A BREAK!
I decide to switch to McCain, and one thing's for sure: McCain was TORTURED in Vietnam and he KNOWS what it's like and he would NEVER allow that to inflicted on anyone!
If you have an open mind, WATCH IT!
AGAIN...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s
Jeff - while my bias is opposite yours, I have to agree, this doesn't pass the sniff test. The characters involved are shady at best, and there is some contradictions in transcript that either show faulty translation or - more likely - out and out falsehoods.
I think your warning is will advised, but I also think people will believe it because they want to.
Obama to bankrupt coal industry! Audio. This could mean something to voters in PA. Please pass around.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/11/02/hidden-audio-obama-tells-sf-chronicle-he-will-bankrupt-coal-industry
Putting the “disclaimer” out there means nothing. This is akin to throwing “evidence” out in a trial that you know a judge is going to disallow, and tell the jury to “disregard”, but cannot be forgotten when deliberations start going. It stinks and is “unprofessional” and unethical. This kind of thing makes or breaks a reputation. I guess we know where your stands.
Hot off the press: http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/02/audio-obama-will-bankrupt-the-coal-industry/
I think it is going to be stuff like this that will cause McCain to win the election. Now can you imagine places like Pennsylvania voting for BO after a release like that?
Jeff,
I also believe that the tape is fake. But I believe that you did what every journalist should do - post the information and let people decide, not censor it according to your views as most media these days would do. You have my highest respect for doing this in the days when the opposite became the standard.
Ever since I saw Obama's Indonesian school record, which says he is a Muslim and an Indonesian citizen, but that his birthplace is Hawaii, I've been convinced that Berg was barking up the wrong tree if he wanted to disqualify Obama.
What he should have been looking for is the fact that Obama is a citizen of Indonesia and not a citizen of USA. However, chances of him obtaining such proof are obviously very slim, and it is now too late.
Thank you for all you have been doing on this site.
P.S. Please do fix the page at americasright.com . Just use the refresh meta tag, as described in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Url_redirection .
Jeff, why would these individuals swear under oath that this information is factual?? If found that it's a lie then they have perjured themselves. I usually agree with you on everything you have said so far, but this evidence seems pretty strong. Thanks for all you do!!
I have listened to the tape four times now and the one reoccuring thing I can pick out is that GRAMA is being coached.
When asked, "was Obama born in Kenya?" Granma say "YES", but is then told to say "NO" in Hawaii.
There is no mistake that she is being told what to say, but it doesn't seem to phase her in her resolve to tell the facts..
Where I read it I can't recall, but OBAMA says that GRAMA's mind is addled, since she's 85, just doesen't get it. My next door neighbor is 103 and is a sharp as a tack.
Even though, I'm holding my judgement as to the truthfulness of this. The court may say that the tapes can not be allowed because there's no way to verify that it is Grama truly speaking. Even with the
affidavits.
Hi Jeff,
I've been following your site for months. Thanks for all your hard work. It's too late for any of this to be a deciding factor in this election. I think McCain will win anyway for other reasons. But we must take this information to the next stage for the future. We must require that election officials for each of our states have the authority to require these documents proving citizenship before that candidate can be put on their state's ballot. We cannot leave this to the party to verify. So, I suggest that after this election, we immediately go to our state legislators asking for a bill to be passed to that effect.
Obama will bankrupt the coal industry????? Obama will raise our prices for energy until someone does something about renewable energy sources.?????
PLEASE take action now & send to all your friends!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bueCxeXZAUUhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bueCxeXZAUU
Does not the Governor of the State of Hawaii also swear to uphold the Constitution of the United States when she took her oath of office? In fact the current Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday that she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, the Registrar General for the State of Hawaii, have admitted to withholding key information by issuing a misleading statement in regard to Obama's Original Birth Certification / Certificate documents. Thereby millions and millions of United States voters will be misinformed on this issue then they vote on November 4, 2008. Is not the Governor in violation of her oath of office by refusing to address this key provision of the U. S. Constitution ?
It does smell, but it does NOT change the bottom line; Barack Obama has NOT produced his birth certificate!
I just think we have a "right" to see it!
I don't think that is too much to ask!
Thanks for Posting this Jeff. I agree with you, it is possible to post up information without having a personal opinion on it, or even outright skepticism. Trust, but verify...
Now for those bashing FReepers, its HARDER to get things past FReepers that just about anyone else. They vet and research their information BETTER than the Main Stream Media, and often get to the bottom of issues that other people either do not want to, or simply choose to follow the Mainstream Media’s coverage (or non-coverage) of a given issue.
Those who would bash FReepers do so because they are afraid of them, mostly those who have something to hide... calling Dan Rather and Mary Mapes...
Have a great day Jeff,
:)
Danae
Jeff - Thanks for your insight and analysis on this. I appreciate the unbiased view and just the facts approach.
Maybe I'm too simple and logical...It seems like there is sufficient reason and questions on where his birth took place. Hawaii State Officials just said they have the original long form birth certificate (not the birth record as shown on factcheck etc.) and have not released it.
If there was no birth certificate and it was between this tape and Barack Obama's word, you'd obviously have to side with Barack Obama.
But the "orginial birth certificate" is there and would answer the question conclusively with no courts, no depositions, no witnesses needed, and no further debate.
I wish either the court or Barack Obama would simply say release the original certificate. There would be no more doubts and questions.
Regards,
James
Jeff,
You've done a great job.
I'm new at this stuff but know when someone is being straight.
GLAD you made it clear with that idiot about a threat.
Unfortunately too much litigation in this country has cost everyone, hopefully guys like you will be part of the solution in the future.
Best,
JP
I'm still out on this issue.However, the birth cert is a moot point. The issue of Obama being a citizen of Indonesa isn't.
Just show us your BC,BHO..
Or step down!
The Indonesian citizenship and his non-naturalization process later in the US would make him even ineligible to be a Senator. It would mean he would be an illegal alien and that he should get tossed out along with his auntie!
And...someone should now bring suit against the Hawaiian officials for obfuscating the question for this election. Also, unless Obama himself had given them permission to even release this info to the public, shouldn't they have responded to any public question re: the certificate with "no comment"? And, were they then actually referring to the birth certificate (certificate of birth) in possession or the certification of birth?
This just gets better all the time. This is from Free Republic. You guys may have seen it. I like the part about the 24 potential Electoral College electors...
"Vice presidential Candidate filing lawsuit against Obama(24 Electoral College electors also filing)
Peoples Passions ^ | 10/31/08 | Steve Marquis
Posted on Sunday, November 02, 2008 1:41:36 AM by A_Niceguy_in_CA
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Vice presidential Candidate filing lawsuit against Obama
Contact: Steve Marquis Telephone Number: 425-698-7084 Email Address: peoplesvoice@peoplespassions.org Web site address: http://peoplespassions.org
Wiley S. Drake, Sr. wileydrake@hotmail.com
Vice presidential Candidate Wiley S. Drake Sr. to file in court asking to de-certify Barack Obama because he has refused to release proof of being a Natural Born Citizen, thereby disqualifying Obama in his bid for the Office of President.
The recent Lawsuit in Washington State demanding their Secretary of State to vet the citizenship credentials of Barack Obama has spawned a slew of similar suits with new lawsuits filed and/or prepared in WA, FL, NC, CO, CA, OH, FL, CT, GA, TX, MI. Related lawsuits HI, US District.
As part of this effort, this group of citizens from states across the union made an outreach to the whole presidential slate asking each candidate for president and vice president to offer up a certified copy of their birth certificates and any related candidate declarations to be placed in a library made available to the public via a non-partisan web site.
At least one VP candidate Wiley S. Drake Sr. went the next step and agreed to file a lawsuit of his own to demand the disqualification of Barack Obama unless he can prove status as a ”Natural Born Citizen” as the constitution and federal statues demand and define.
In another unrelated action, though also aimed at forcing Obama to release proof or step down, 24 potential Electoral College electors are filing action Monday morning in court also demanding proof. A call is herein being issued to any elector in any state, especially democrat electors who would like to join that effort. Electors interested in adding their name to this lawsuit can contact Mr. Marquis who will put you in contact with the attorney handling that case.
Contact: Steve Marquis Telephone Number: 425-698-7084 Email Address: peoplesvoice@peoplespassions.org
Wiley S. Drake, Sr. wileydrake@hotmail.com"
Two questions come to my mind, based on the items presented by Mr. Berg:
l. From where did the $1,000,0000 come from that was given by Barrack Obama to his cousin in Kenya for political purposes in his presidential race? Was this an "earmark" gone astray?
2. If Obama was born in Hawaii and those records are under seal by the government; than what birth records are underseal in Keyna? Who is trying to make us believe he was born in two hospitals in Hawaii and in two different places on the face of the planet--come on--there is just so much bs in the alababatheeves campaign.
anonymous wrote:
The Indonesian citizenship and his non-naturalization process later in the US would make him even ineligible to be a Senator.
Get with the program.
Berg (or rather the anonymous TexasDarlin blog poster "Judah Benjamin" who Berg relied upon) has been lying to you.
Obama would not lave lost his US citizenship even if he were naturalized as an Indonesian citizen.
Minor children could not lose or relinquish their US citizenship. So the whole Indonesian citizenship issue is irrelevant.
LOSS OF NATIONALITY BY NATIVE-BORN OR NATURALIZED CITIZEN
Sec. 349. (a) From and after the effective date of this Act a person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by--
(1)obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application, upon an application filed in his behalf by a parent, guardian, or duly authorized agent, or through the naturalization of a parent having legal custody of such person : Provided, That nationality shall not be lost by any person under this section as the result of naturalization of a parent or parents while such person is under the age of twenty-one years, or as the result of a naturalization obtained on behalf of a person under twenty-one years of age by a parent, guardian, or duly authorized agent, unless such person fail to enter the United States to establish a permanent residence prior to his twenty-fifth birthday
THAT'S what the law reads.
However "Judah Benjamin," and as a consequence Berg because he never bothered to actually read the law and relied on some anonymous poster, failed to include the proviso of that law, which completely contradicts their claims that Obama lost his US citizenship when he was taken to Indonesia by his mother.
Again, you've been lied to. Wake up.
k
In related news, there appears to be some movement in the Electoral College elector front (yes, electors!):
Electoral College Electors Filing Suit Monday
Things keep getting bolder and bolder.
-Phil
Anonymous said...
I heard that Obama has a vagina. No verification on that - but felt it was honest of me, as I am a real American, to get it out there and let the people decide. Full disclosure and all. I can provide emails and audio clips as well. Perhaps a picture?
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And I bet you have a penis. (No pictures please) and I bet that's what you think with. Even when you vote.
Jeff, thanks for posting the information for us to decide.
The State of Hawaii's officials stated that they have Obama's original typed birth certificate in vault. Therefore,Obama has falsely claimed to have placed the "original" COLB on his "fight the smear" website and Factcheck.org had also falsely claimed that they have seen the original document and posted on their website. Both Obama and Factcheck.org knowingly dupped the American people. Isn't this a crime? Based on the fact that Obama knowingly forged a state document for political gain, can Berg or another plaintiffs use the ground that Obama has willingly deceived the American people and need to release the original from vault for all to see?
What if the original BC shows that Barack Hussein Obama Jr is not who he says he is, then what? Fraud?
The fact that the interview was conducted by an Anabaptist Preacher is a major deal. I'm sorry, but these type of people don't make stuff up. These type of people are committed to truth and knowledge of it. The fact that this guy signed his name to this means a whole lot.
It means nothing to most people because most people are not going to trust an Anabaptist preacher. That's just the truth. Kinda reminds me of Old John the Baptist! Ha ha ha ha.
Vet this guy! I'd be willing to bet a million dollars that he'll come up clean as a whistle. Now understand that most people will see him as a radical bible thumper. Radical bible thumpers usually come up clean. I'm not talking about Hollywood Evangelists and David Koresh's. I'm talking about the genuine real thing: men of God.
Here's my prediction and I'm going to print it out just for the fun of it: This tape is the real McCoy! And we're fixing to see some of the faciest legal footwork to ever dance across this green earth by Obama legal team. God bless you Jeff Schneider. I will be praying for you.
TOO LITTLE TOO LATE.
The issue of complete disclosure of presidential and congressional candidates should not die Nov 5, but should be carried forward until made law. Maybe we can save ourselves from this fiasco in the upcoming congressional elections in 2010.
What your blog has pointed out again and again to me is that Obama is anti-American, a racist, a liar and a fraud.
Thank you for reporting and giving us the right to think for ourselves.
Hi Jeff, As I am trying to get a passport, what is the difference in a COLB, vault copy, or the copy I have in my safe that is in a binder with all the pertinent information?
Let's face it, BO will most likely be the POTUS in 2 days. Heaven help us. We had better start thinking how we as Christians are going to live under his dictatorial rule. He really scares me, and I need to know what we need to do when he begins his agenda. Help!!!! Brenda
The MSM is going to ignore this also. They'll ignore everything until someone with some actual power does something. If they keep throwing these cases out. The MSM will keep ignoring it. It doesn't matter how incriminating the information is they have already proven that they're not going to touch it.
This is just plain nuts! I'm getting an ulser. This is a time when heros are made. I wish somebody with some real clout would get some guts and blow the horn on this yahoo!
I'm curious to see what comes of this lawsuit by the Electors.
Jeff, for what it's worth, thanks for all your efforts in following this case. I'm a newcomer, and have enjoyed reading your thoughts and the facts you have put forth.
I too think there's something fishy....on both ends. Sure, maybe this tape isn't accurate, but there's more to Obama than he's letting up. The mere fact that he won't release any documents speaks volumes.
What can really be done about this. The election is only a day away and we need it to happen FAST....Jeff if you have any answers please let us know.
I would think that Obama's Indonesian adoption and Indonesian citizenship would be easier to prove.
What passport did he use to visit Pakistan in his student days?
What citizenship did he claim on his college records?
What documents did he use to get a U.S. passport, if he does have one now?
Wouldn't anyone have standing in this matter, since Obama is already a Senator? If he is a Senator illegally as an Indonesian citizen, don't we all already have actual damages as a result of that?
Like his reasoning or not Andy Martin makes a lot of sense. It seems obvious to all of us but apparently not the media that a laser printed certificate with a 2007 date stamp showing through and a November 2001 form date in the lower left corner sure wasn't prepared in 1961. And isn't it interesting that the lowkey time off for Obama's 2 days off to visit his very sick grandmother in Hawaii has almost zero followup questions about how she is doing now? Good luck to the 24 electors!
from Mainemom:
don't just be curious.
According to peoplespassions they would like to get at least one democratic elector to join this suit.
I am inviting all concerned bloggers to take appropriate action.
Here is what I am going to do. After the election, the names of your state's electoral college members will be published on the National Archives website. (address given below).
I am going to write my state's electors a polite letter, expressing my concerns about Obama's candidacy, and my need (as well as many other taxpayer's need) for confirmation that there was in fact no fraudulent reprensentation of the Senator's demographic facts, as presented to the public. And that the only way to do this is examination of the original birth certifate. I will be asking them if they could consider joining this lawsuit on my behalf, and on behalf of all the citizens of my state.
I will be making a statement that this request in no way represents a desire or an attempt to influence their vote on December 15, but represents only a sincere desire to find the truth and lay this issue to rest, once and for all, for the good of the citizenry and the future of our country.
Perhaps Jeff can suggest more appropriate wording.
National Archives:
general info:
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/
2008 names
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/faq.html#2008names
My bet is that they would say that sarah obama is getting up in age and going cenial. Also that she was refering to Barak Obama SR.not Barak Obama jr. being born in Kenya. I think it's going to be hard to make it stick unfortunately,these guys are slicker than the Clinton's. We just need to hope that the supreme court looks at the case. It is soo frustrating to see all these questions come up and no one in the MSM talks about it! If this was a Republican the elections would be stopped and he would be on every news outlet in existance. I sure hope Obama's grandma is okay in Hawaii,being that she was soo gravely ill. LOL
This is a joke right? It smells to you, but, in the interest of full disclosure, even if you would think it false information, you feel you need to put it out there.
You have a career in politics in front of you. in the GOP.
I do street evangelism myself. I don't know Ron McRae, but from what I've seen he apparently has a leadership position in an evangelism group alongside another well-known street evangelist, the latter of which has worked with people from my own evangelism team. A few steps removed, I know. But the point I want to make is that these guys are serious about truth and righteousness, and they aren't messing around; they wouldn't flippantly lie like that. Thus it is my judgment from indirect personal experience that, based upon his associations, what Ron McRae says about this is almost certainly credible. If there is something problematic here, it isn't because McRae lied about it.
But wait - theres more!
Remember it is NOT the electorate who votes the president in - it is the Electoral College.
THIS may be the most significant event of all: http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=414
"In another unrelated action, though also aimed at forcing Obama to release proof or step down, 24 potential Electoral College electors are filing action Monday morning in court also demanding proof. A call is herein being issued to any elector in any state, especially democrat electors who would like to join that effort. Electors interested in adding their name to this lawsuit can contact Mr. Marquis who will put you in contact with the attorney handling that case."
I believe it's time to call upon the name Yahweh and expect results! He says to throughout the Scriptures all the time. Ask his deliverance in this matter.
I am confused. Why does Mr. Berg's filing with the SCOTUS show a response due date of December 1, 2008. The request is to stay the November 4, 2008 election.
The biggest news in here is the movement by potential electors. As I've stated before, the REAL election is Dec. 15, and this thing isn't over...even with a landslide victory for Obama on Nov. 4. It's just beginning.
Thanks Jeff for the audio. It wasn't earthshaking, but the next audio clip will be better. It's the soothing sound of the liberal left weeping and gnashing their teeth as their golden boy is shown to be fool's gold. Sleep well America, BamBam is going down. He will never make it to the Oval Office.
The MSM can't stop Yahweh and the people who call upon his name.
Jeff--
I think you need to explain to your readers that:
(1) on the remote chance that the Supreme Court agrees to hear Berg's case, it will decide only the issue of standing and as it is not a court that makes findings of fact, the Supreme Court will NOT decide the citizenship issue, but rather, would remand the case to the District Court for further proceedings; and
(2) Berg will have to garner ADMISSIBLE evidence to present at trial before the District Court, and that none of the evidence Berg presently claims to have, including the "Sarah Obama" tape and the "Bishop's" affidavit, qualify as competent evidence; and
(3) Under Rule 12(d) the "admissions" are not deemed admitted.
Trial Attorney
Scottsdale, AZ
My buddy just told me that he was getting a haircut at the local mall and overheard a stylists conversation. She was perturbed because the Health Department didn't want to RENEW her license because her identification was not good enough. They didn't want her DL. They wanted a copy of her birth certificate. So she had to drive a bit but she got it that day.
How is it that you can't renew your haircutting license without a birth certificate, but you can run for the presidency of United States of America without it? Some things just don't see fair!
Lord, I pray that you'd bring this man down! Lord, that you'd expose him that all might see! Bring all that are in league with this man down! Have mercy on our country!
The reason politico.com, and others, have credibility, is because they don’t put forth crap like this. Oh well, you reap what you sow.
First of all, thank you Jeff for all your hard and honest work, for your contribution to providing so much information in one place.
It is a hard and time consuming process to get out the information that is not readily available in the main stream media especially when almost all legitimate sources are blocked from the public access. We sure understand that Obama will never release any information voluntarily, so the process of digging to the truth of course can have its ups and downs; and the further you go the more resistance you get (almost zero cooperation from anyone who suppose to help or being obligated by law to investigate any suspicious matter). Isn’t it frustrating? Sure is. Any issue or concerns can be resolved in a matter of seconds - if there is nothing to hide, and if there is – it creates rumors, speculations and search for the true answer goes on the rocky road.
Well…almost everybody who has enough brains knows already that Obama is A BIG, BIG liar (I do not have any single doubt about that).
Honestly, I’m so sick of his ‘Didn’t know’, ‘Didn’t hear’, ‘It’s not true’, etc.
Now he throws his aunty under the bus.
--- I think that could add another question to his US citizenship argument – because in order to bring your relative to US (by legal way through US Immigration Department) you have to file INS forms (including the prove that you have US citizenship). If he couldn’t do it then, he probably cannot do it now.
The simplest issue of all – showing Legitimate Original Birth Certificate (which in my view will not compromise a top Country Security Threat in any way) – became a big subject in this presidential election. “These” who suppose to oversee the eligibility of the candidate to run for the US President Office had to do the background check in the beginning. The whole thing was suppressed by the media and WE do not have an answer even now 1 day before election.
We do not know how many more ‘dirty closets’ he has here in US and around the globe, but sooner or later they will pop up (like popcorn).
We live in the 21 century and if BO thinks that he can commit ‘Perfect Crime’ – sorry…. wrong assumption, which will be his (as well as all who is in his ‘foggy-boggy’ cover up team) huge mistake.
If WE ARE THE PEOPLE will not let this fraud go a way - the fake ‘Obama Pyramid’ will eventually collapse.
Meanwhile, enjoy our already ‘limited freedom’ and ‘half-secret voting system’ because if he is elected we will get the unions:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/31/obama-supports-union-organizing/
Believe it or not but if BO will be elected, unions will be requirements for any company, sooner than you think.
--- Been there, done that ….. Had it, had enough of it!!!
Of course much more at stake with this election – the future of our country – I would say the future of entire globe!
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I’m proud to be a US Citizen (US is my home for 18 years) - [Former USSR resident]
Jeff,one of the anonymous
comments above said- "It truly seem incongrous to me that Obama can get away with everything in his shady past and we know nothing about him, yet we are expected to make a Constitutional-Country Altering decision based on his denials, and no one stands up and demands that he show all of his hidden documentation-credentials to the world and especially to America."
I agree and I and I notice that Obama said yesterday about his half Aunt who has overstayed her Visa- that whatever thar applicable laws are she must be held accountable-"BECAUSE WE ARE A COUNTRY OF LAWS"!!! Is that a hypocrite//liar or what, since he has refused to show his original COLB!!
Only Obama can 'think' like that!! McCain has been challenged twice on his Birth in panama canal and let constitutioal lawyers debate amd see his situation. They concluded he was and is a 'natural born citizen' God help us if a Marxist radical and liar like obama is elected, his left wing ideaolgy will destroy this country faster than 9-11!
anonymous wrote:
My bet is that they would say that sarah obama is getting up in age and going cenial.
And that's certainly worth considering.
A friend of mine reminded me last night of a relatively little known fact that could play into this if indeed Sara Obama made the claim she is alleged to have made.
Not long after he left Dunham, he married another white woman (Ruth Nidesand), who followed Obama Sr. to Kenya where they had two children.
It's entirely possible that this is the "white woman" Sarah is thinking of, especially given the fact that there's simply nothing to suggest Dunham ever traveled to Kenya, let alone gave birth there.
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Important new piece by Dr. Corsi at http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79900
Look, no matter what is on that BC to say Obama is not hiding something from the public would be lying. If he wanted all this to go away and he knew for a fact that his BC did indeed show him being born in Hawaii he would show it. Please do not tell me that some copy of a copy that was posted on the internet is the real deal. I don't claim to know the real story but I do know and I hope the other readers do as well that something stinks here.
Boy, when I hear about the Obama Civilian Security Force, it reminds me of a movie, only this is real life. Children will be turning in their parents for not flying the Obama National Flag, or for saying something against our Obama government, etc. Anything anti-Obama, will be turned over tot he goverment by his "Civilian Security Force". This will turn child against parent, neighbor against neighbor, etc. REALLY SCARY, EH?
Jeff,
This is my first time on this site and the info and discussion I find here is interesting, if nothing else. Thanks also for posting the tape and transcript. Personally I would have done so with an explanation of where the material came from and a simple statement that I do not know the veracity of the information contained therein, rather than a long disclaimer but it is your call, not mine.
Regarding the gist of the information contained in the tape - i.e. Obama's grandma says he was born in Kenya - I have to say that information seems to support a lot of other information indicating there is some major issue with Obama's Birth Certificate, otherwise he would have obviously posted it long ago as many of the commenters on this sight have pointed out. This simple issue (that there is apparently some damaging information in Obama's BC) alone makes him ineligible to be president of the USA in my eyes, regardless of the issue of citizenship or where he was born. Why do I draw that conclusion? That is also simple . . . . this guy did everything in his power, including using every trick in his political book (ranging from legal to quasi-legal to downright wrong and potentially illegal in my opinion), to get to the point of winning essentially a 50% chance of being president of the USA - the whole time knowing that there was an issue related to his birth certificate that could totally screw things up for him. If this is not being totally dishonest and playing the people for a bunch of chumps I don't know what is. For the record I don't think the real issue with his BC is that it shows him to not be a "natural born citizen", I think the real problem is that it shows his true parentage, which for some reason would totally blow his credibility and image of being honest and a "straight shooter" like he has been advertising so heavily. I think that Andy Martin ("contrariancommentary.blogspot.com") has hit the nail on the head on this issue - Obama is the son of radical left winger from the 60's Frank Marshall Davis. I also personally think that the BC will have something to do with strengthening the argument that Obama may still be a "closet Muslim" - this is a hunch, nothing more.
Regardless of his problems with the BC, just the number of bald-face lies this guy has been irrefutably caught in telling since coming on the national scene should turn off any prospective voter that uses criteria more substaintial than "I kinda like the guy and think he would be an awesome president". Actually I take that back, his actions should dissuade any voter who is voting with the idea of putting the good of the country ahead of anything else, like it should be. Unfortunately, from reading the plethora of rabidly partisan posts by the Obama/democratic "Kool-Aide guzzlers" on this site in response to this issue alone tells me that putting the country ahead of all other things in voting for President is lost on many people. This alone is probably why our country is doomed no matter what - it is just a matter of time. God help us though if Obama gets elected because that will be the virtual end of this country as we know it. Mark my words . . . . .
Peace,
Jeff M.
As regards:
"Vice presidential Candidate filing lawsuit against Obama(24
Posted on Sunday, November 02, 2008 1:41:36 AM by A_Niceguy_in_CA
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Vice presidential Candidate filing lawsuit against Obama..
Sorry to sound dumb, but what the heck is a VICE presidential candidate???
Hello,
I just wanted to correct your flight 93 memorial location. Its not Schwenksville, PA, but Shanksville. I used to live in Schwenksville; a suburb of Philadelphia
I am not an Obama supporter and will be voting 3rd party. That said, you people that waited till doomsday to roll out this "where was he born" crap, need to rachet it back a bit. It comes across as desperation and hate rather than doing the right thing. If and when he is elected (if he ain't the fix was in again), continue your case but try not to be so nasty.
...and waaaaayyyyy too many anon. posts...
Aw, geez, how embarrassing!
As a resident of a Philadelphia suburb, I've been many times through Schwenksville. I must have had it on my brain, because I certainly know that 93 crashed in Shanksville.
Complete brain-fart typo -- thank you for catching it.
-- Jeff
What would have been the benefits of being born in Kenya, which in 1961 was under the British Crown?
In 1961 expectant mothers in the USA were treated with velvet gloves. Natural child birth was thought to be unprogressive and beneath human dignity. Late travel would never have been allowed, I'm pretty sure the airlines forbad travel after a certain stage of pregnancy, due to fear of premature delivery. So if a trip to Kenya was made, it would have been made before the 7th month of the pregnancy. The mother would have been given a week of hospitalization following the birth.
In 1961, Russia and the US were embroiled in a bitter cold war. I remember well the tension of the 60's, and the feeling of impeding doom that was generated by Castro and his communist alliance. In the 60's, Americans as a rule loathed communism.
A communist woman giving birth in the US in 1961 would have had much to fear in the politically charged anti-communist climate of the early sixties. For reasons of political uncertainty, I think the possibility of establishing roots under the British Crown would have had a definite appeal for the mother of Barack.
No problem Jeff! I'm a newbie to your site. Thanks for all your hard work!
Jeff,
Thanks for all this. Sticking your neck out is scary at best, and you've been quite the gentleman doing it.
But, I want to know when your "secret" project that will never have your name on it, is going to appear. How will we identify it?
Glenn Flowers
Anonymous said...
Let me say this, my dear readers. I do not believe the information posted below is true. And I cannot be held responsible for any lies it may contain.
However, I so greatly respect the first amendment that I must post this false information, because Obama is a socialist commie muslim nigger.
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Hmmmmm And what evidence do you have, to prove that this is false information?
I have been silently following this since the beginning. Have one question. IF Big O was NOT born in Kenya, WHY would it be necessary to seal BIRTH RECORDS in Kenya? They simply would NOT exist. No?
The Connecticut case has been dismissed:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11032008/news/nationalnews/judge_dismisses_obama_birth_certificate__136631.htm
And the Virginia case, the one where the Board of Elections submitted a copy of the COLB WITH an affidavit from the State Health Director (of Hawaii) verifying that the document is an authentic certification of live birth, has been dismissed. In this case, it goes beyond mere dismissal, as the judge ruled against each arguement, (COLB, Dual Citizenship, Indonesian citizenship, etc.
http://comments.obamacrimes.com/blog/_archives/2008/11/2/3959876.html?message=#1187739
""The Court made the following findings:
1. The Certification of Live Birth presented to the court is unquestionably authentic.
The court noted that the certification had a raised seal from the state of Hawaii, had a stamp bearing the signature of the registrar of vital statistics. The court found “wholly unpersuasive” any of the internet claims that the birth certificate was altered in any way. Furthermore, the document itself was accompanied by an affidavit from the State Health Director (of Hawaii) verifying that the document is an authentic certification of live birth. The court held that there could be no doubt that the document was authentic unless one believed that the state of Hawaii’s health department were in on an elaborate and complex conspiracy – and that there is not a shred of evidence that this is the case.
2. The Certification of Live Birth establishes that Mr. Obama is a natural born citizen. The affidavit of the State Health Director states that the information on the CLOB is identical to the information on the “vault” copy of the birth certificate, and that both documents establish that Mr. Obama was born in Honolulu. The Court noted that the CLOB is valid for all citizenship purposes. The court noted our argument that the COLB is not valid for determining citizenship, but referred us to Hawaiian law that states otherwise. “There is no difference between a certificate and a certification of live birth in the eyes of the state. For instance, either can be used to confirm U.S. citizenship to obtain a passport or state ID.” The court found that Hawaiian law makes the COLB valid for all purposes with the exception of determining native Hawaiian heritage for certain state and federal benefits. The court held that if Mr. Obama were born elsewhere and the birth registered in Hawaii, the “place of birth” line on the COLB would reflect that fact. The court stated that there could be no doubt that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii and that any argument to the contrary was fanciful and relied on completely unsubstantiated internet rumors.
3. For that reason, 8 U.S.C. §1401(g), which at the relevant time provided as follows:
“The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: ***(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:.....
is irrelevant to this matter, as Mr. Obama was conclusively born in Hawaii.
4. Mr. Obama did hold dual citizenship in the U.S. and Kenya until he became an adult. When Barack Obama Jr. was born Kenya was a British colony. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children:
“British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.”
In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UK. Obama's UK citizenship became an Kenyan citizenship on Dec. 12, 1963, when Kenya formally gained its independence from the United Kingdom. The court noted that Chapter VI, Section 87 of the Kenyan Constitution specifies that:
1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963...
2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.
Thus the court held that as a citizen of the UK who was born in Kenya, Obama's father automatically received Kenyan citizenship via subsection (1). So given that Obama qualified for citizen of the UK status at birth and given that Obama's father became a Kenyan citizen via subsection (1), thus Obama did in fact have Kenyan citizenship in 1963. However, the court further held that the Kenyan Constitution prohibits dual citizenship for adults. Kenya recognizes dual citizenship for children, but Kenya's Constitution specifies that at age 21, Kenyan citizens who possesses citizenship in more than one country automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship unless they formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya. The court held that there was no evidence that Mr. Obama has ever renounced his U.S. citizenship or sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4, 1982.
The court held that there was no legal requirement that Mr. Obama renounce his Kenyan citizenship or affirm his U.S. citizenship in order to maintain his status as a natural born citizen.
5. Mr. Obama did not lose his U.S. Citizenship based on the acts of his parents, including adoption by an Indonesian citizen. The Court held that no action taken by the parents of an American child can strip that child of his citizenship. The court cited to the 1952 Immigration & Nationality Act, Title III, Chapter 3, Sections 349 and 355, which was in effect in the late 1960s when Obama went to Indonesia, and which stated that a minor does not lose his US citizenship upon the naturalization of his parents or any other actions of his parents, so long as the minor returns to the US and establishes permanent US residency before the age of 21. Thus the adoption of Obama did not serve to strip him of his U.S. citizenship. The fact that Indonesian law does not allow dual citizenship is irrelevant, as U.S. law controls. Furthermore, the Court held that traveling on a foreign passport does not strip an American of his citizenship. The Court noted first that there was no evidence that Mr. Obama traveled on an Indonesian passport (Mr. Berg and others we reached out to for evidence never provided any evidence of this claim or any other of the claims we could have used some proof of.) Nonetheless, the court held that such travel does not divest an American of his citizenship.
he Court makes other holdings and findings that I won’t bother you with here. Needless to say, the decision is wholly against us. The court finds the claims against Mr. Obama’s citizenship “wholly unpersuasive and bordering on the frivolous, especially in light of the complete absence of any first-hand evidence on any critical issue” and further classifies it as “conspiracy theory of the lowest sort, fueled by nothing than internet rumor and those who truly want to believe egging each other on."
The gentleman who filed the suit will not appeal, saying:
""As I say above, I think the proper and legal way to contest this issue is in the congress. That is where we should focus our attention. I am particularly wary of Mr. Berg’s multiple fund-raising appeals and his dogged insistence that he is pursuing the correct path when may legal experts disagree with his tactics.
Second, I perhaps erred by moving forward without first getting the actual evidence from Mr. Berg or others. I assumed that since time was tight and the statements made here were so certain, that it wouldn’t be difficult to obtain the evidence people spoke of. However, my repeated requests either went unanswered, or got me referrals to other web sites. Never did I get any admissible, first-hand evidence given to me.
Finally, I will re-iterate what I said earlier. We are all Americans no matter what happens. We should act with honor and patriotism, accept the decisions of our civil authorities, and pursue this within the constitutional structure we have erected for ourselves.
Given the nature of the court’s ruling, we are not going to appeal. We believe the court has it correct – the proper place to bring this is in Congress. That is what we will do.""
Anonymous said...
I have been silently following this since the beginning. Have one question. IF Big O was NOT born in Kenya, WHY would it be necessary to seal BIRTH RECORDS in Kenya? They simply would NOT exist. No?
November 3, 2008 1:55 PM
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Good point. If not born in Kenya, should be NO records to even seal, eh?
I hope that this gets resolved one way or another. Now that Obama is president, I want to be absolutely sure that he had a constitutional right to be a candidate for this office.
Kenya's newspapers have exploded celebrating the win of their SON in this election. Obama's african grandmother says that now that the election is over she will agree to be interviewed...
READ the Kenya's newspapers. They are eye-opening...
Please continue to pursue this. Maybe you can stop Obama from being sworn in on Jan 20th.
It is obvious that obama is hiding the truth. Go to the Supreme Court and have them unseal his birth documents.
Another topic that is important to me is to stop the government funding of ACORN and the Get Out the Vote organizations. I don't want my hard earned money to fund any criminal and fraudulent activities that they committed through out the campaign. Hopefully you can pursue this as well..
if i may... reading through some British Broadcasting material some time ago i am led to believe many here are confusing obama's grandmother(s).
the woman whose picture appears outside the hut feeding chickens i believe her to be obama's STEPMOTHER - one of his biological dad's wives.
the woman who lives in the tin corrugated hut is his paternal grandmother - his dad's biological mother. THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE PEOPLE.
there is also a wife of obama's dad who resides in England.
now i wish i had the clarification here t hand. i do now and i can only say some more research needs to be done here.
i also allow that i could be the one that is wrong on this but i dont think so. i remember when i made the distinction i was intrigued how i at all times thought the women were one and the same. now i wish i had saved the article, but these two Kenyan women (paternal grandmother and stepmother) both live in Kenya, with another relative i believe to be another wife in England.
the british reporter who took a translater with him spoke with the real grandmother and she is the one who says obama was born there. she is aldo the one obama avoids.
obama traveled to Kenya and gave odinga a million dollars raised in the U.S. but didnt even stop by his grandmother's house. she needs a tv but he didnt cough up a mere sixty or fivty bucks to get her one... the woman walks to a store to see his image on TV.
Ever since I saw Obama's Indonesian school record, which says he is a Muslim
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with all due respect i think you overlooked that if his mother did this fraud it would say he was born in Hawaii. if she lied to the hawaiian Health Dept. they took her word for it.
remember the only thing hawaii has is a "report of birth" and that is what is displayed on obama's site. they issued a birth statement based on the mother, but no hospital, or midwife records exist. Further, a research team has determined no one by the name OBAMA WAS BORN in Hawaii during the month of August, 2961.
Mom was a liar herself. she told obama lies about his dad. Remember?
postscript:
about the confusion of real grandmother as opposed to stepmother. I believe the stepmother's name is Sarah, but the the grandmother's name excapes me now.
the relitive in England is something like Kizzie and the real grand mother's name is very unusual but not Sarah.
Tom Tancredo from Colorado also strongly opposed the design of the 9-11 memorial in PA.
If the electors who vote in the electoral college for each state really wanted to see Obama's birth certificate, or else... what could he do? Half the states are not legally bound to vote the popular winner, and the State of Washington only has a $1000 fine for failure to vote the winner of the state's election. Nov 4th is technically just the beginning of the presidential election process.
Roses
I must agree that this is very fishy--affidavits signed by anonymous people. If the tape is a fraud, I hope Berg lands in jail.
This thing reads like one of those Nigerian petroleum scams that you get in email.
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