Post-Election, Berg v. Obama Continues
Today, attorney Philip Berg disseminated a press release reminding all that, despite the results of Tuesday's election, his lawsuit against now President-elect Barack Obama is alive and well. As it stands now, the United States Supreme Court is awaiting a response which may or may not come from Obama, the DNC and Federal Election Commission by December 1, 2008.
"I look forward," Berg said in the release,"to receiving Defendant Obama's response to the Writ and am hopeful that the U.S. Supreme Court will review Berg v. Obama. I believe Mr. Obama is not a constitutionally-qualified natural-born citizen and is ineligible to assume the office of president of the United States."
As far as I know, the respondents--Obama, DNC and FEC--are not required to respond, and may decline to do so out of confidence that the Court will simply deny Berg's Petition for Writ of Certiorari. The U.S. Supreme Court receives approximately 8,000 such petitions each year, and only hears between 70 and 120 or so.
Berg, of course, is hopeful that the court will do the right thing, saying that our constitution hangs in the balance, and requiring the president-elect to submit his information would "avert a constitutional crisis."
Some, like myself, are conflicted. On one hand, Obama received 63 million votes on Tuesday but, on the other hand, if Berg is correct he shouldn't have been there in the first place. On one hand, the time for Berg's line of thinking to be pursued should have been before November 4th so as to avoid mass voter disenfranchisement but, on the other hand, since when have the courts been concerned about voter disenfranchisement? On one hand, the United States Constitution says that Barack Hussein Obama is now president-elect of the United States of America and should be treated as such but, on the other hand, the same document also says that, should Berg be correct, he cannot serve in the position he's slated to attain in January because he is not a natural-born citizen of the United States.
To me, as much as I am ready to fight President Obama where he needs to be fought as a conservative, as much as I am willing to let this nation reap what it has sown and learn from it, I still cannot help but go back to the thought that, as a lawyer buddy of mine put it, "the Constitution's criteria for presidential eligibility are not 'suggestions' but instead are mandatory requirements." As much as I know that accepting Barack Obama as my president [elect] is essentially a sign of being a decent American, I do not think it is unfair at all to ask for proof that my president is also an American. In fact, I think it is downright unfair otherwise.
I am conflicted here. I am conflicted because I firmly believe that, should we survive the next four years, Obama's election could actually be a blessing in disguise for America. I am conflicted because I think people in 2012 will not be better off than they were here in 2008, and will know that the democrats in the executive and legislative branches will be solely to blame. I am conflicted because I have no doubt that, properly managed and willing to accept the lessons of 2006 and 2008 that conservatives win elections and moderates do not, the Republican Party will emerge stronger than ever and will lead this country into unparalleled prosperity, as the lesson learned from four years of a socialist president will be a lasting one. Perhaps, in that respect, accepting the result of the election and allowing the democrats and Obama to try and miserably fail, we will actually secure long-term benefit for the country.
Still, to me, the question presented by Berg is warranted and absolutely essential. Barack Obama should present, for independent examination, the "vault" copy of his birth certificate if for no other reason than to put this matter to rest. His failure to provide it does make me believe that he doesn't have it, or that it doesn't say what it should. The best way to receive closure, perhaps, is the most unlikely one -- that the U.S. Supreme Court grant certiorari in this matter. Unfortunately, as the Court doesn't like to get involved in political questions such as this, as the Court would be hesitant under any circumstances to countermand the will of 63 million Americans (give or take a few hundred thousand for ACORN), I don't think it will happen. What we have now, unfortunately, is a widely-accepted "don't ask, don't tell" policy and, with regard to the presidency, that's unacceptable.
Despite my internal conflict, I will continue to provide updates and insight on Philip Berg's lawsuit against Barack Obama, as I believe that the underlying questions are as fundamental as can be. I have tried to be fair to both sides in reporting on this matter, and it wouldn't be fair to anybody if I were to change that policy.
While I am prepared to accept the man as president, while I am prepared to praise him when [if] he does right and protest him when he does wrong, I am extremely disturbed that he was freely elected despite not being completely forthcoming when it came to his background. Regardless of the result from the United States Supreme Court, perhaps the giant lesson learned from all of this is that America needs a highly transparent mechanism by which the constitutional qualifications for each candidate are checked -- perhaps, knowing the controversy which surrounded his election, Obama will be the first to create such a mechanism and will voluntarily submit himself to be the first one checked out.
But I won't hold my breath.


166 comments:
I am in total agreement with you Jeff. I too feel so conflicted about this man. I don't believe he is forthcoming on many things and that really bothers me. On the surface he seems like a honorable man with glowing rhetoric but in history we know that Hitler held the same characteristics. President of the United States of America is way too much power for someone who wants to keep such a basic thing as his original birth certificate hidden. I don't care how much it takes we must find out the truth. We can not wait for this man to be sworn in and then reveal the facts to be true. Just show us now so we can all get behind him and support him as POTUS. It is that simple. I have such an uneasy feeling in the pit of my stomach that Mr. Berg is correct and that this is going to be swept under the table.
I'm with you on this issue;however,I am afraid that if nothing is done then a precedent is set for future candidates. The Constitution MUST be upheld.
Jeff, I agree with you I am also conflicted, but in the same way the Constitution calls for the election of a new president every four years it calls for only qualified persons to run for that office. If the Supreme Court is not the final protector of this Document then who would be? We all know the Democrats (or most of them) have no repsect for it and consider it a living document to be changed when ever they don't agree with it. If the political parties or FEC fail to confirm the qualifications of the candidates the American people have no choice but to request help thru the courts. All the original judge had to do was ask for the vault copy of the birth certicate. I am not a lawyer but it seems to me to be common sense. The whole issue raises unanswered questions because for whatever Seantor Obama has refused to release it, he's been to Hawaii twice in the last couple of months. Easy enough to walk into City Hall and request a copy!
In my opinion the real power will rest with Emanuel because his personality, money and power connections are far stronger than Obama's. Obama will be a puppet president.
Jeff-
I have a hard time depending on Berg.... he says he has proof of this and that and then he is never really forthcoming with real evidence.
The whole issue of "Obama secrecy" is so very serious.....from college info to birth certificates.... is someone getting paid to cover things up? and why cover anything up?
And all the Andy Martin tales... well, some of this makes all of us, who are trying to find honest answers, look like fools.
Thanks for all you do.
J
“President of the World” Prepares Pronunciation of Disciples
Well, THAT stinks!
What good is a Constitutional directive, if there is no body of law to enforce it, no standing to challenge it, and no political party to make eligibility a matter of proof?
Starting to feel like a banana republic here.
Did you notice that the petition demanding proof has over 78,000 signatures on it?
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/stop-obama-constitutional-crisis
Yes, 64M people voted for him, but let's do the math. I am so sick and tired of hearing how Barck Obama had a "landslide victory" and how he won a "mandate" or how he took the "majority of the vote". I'm sure we hear these things all day, and let me show you how to shut up the idiots speaking these things.
To debunk this, we have to do some math.
According to the US Census, there are 246 million Americans who are above the status of suffrage in the USA. That means 246 million people are eligible to vote (excludes convicted felons, children, illegals, etc). Of those 246M people, approx 130M people voted in this election. That means 116M people DID NOT vote. That translates to 53% voted and 47% did not.
Of those that voted, 64.1M voted for Barrack Obama, and 65.9M voted for someone else, and 116M didn't vote at all. Why didn't they vote? Well, we really don't know, but it could be that they did not like any of the candidates. So , if they did not vote for either candidate, we can presume that 65.9M + 116M or 181.9 people did not vote for Obama.
So what more does that tell us. That tells us that 26% of the population voted for Obama, 27% voted for someone else, and 47% didn't vote at all. Now I don't know where you went to school, but where I went to school, 26% is less that 27%, and if you factor the no votes in, 26% is far less than 74%.
So they next time a dolt tells you that Obama won by a land slide, ask them how they describe a landslide and educate them in some simple math.
At this stage it doesn't matter whether or not Obama is eligible to be president based upon his citizenship. Now that he has been chosen via election the invisible machine behind Obama will have no problem creating false documents and having them authenticated by "experts". They will also buy off, intimidate, or blackmail any and all judges to declare Obama's documentation is authentic and therefore Obama is eligible to be president. No one on this planet will be able to do a thing about it.
Hence forward Americans will be forced to eat the fruit of the poison Obama tree. The public, with its short memory will never understand how the presidency of the U.S. was stolen from them based upon every type of fraud possible.
museumofinnocence.blogspot.org
Jeff,
Thank you for the update. I am however curious if anyone knows, how far back in time were there claims that Obama was born in Kenya?
The Monitor (Kampala)
16 February 2008
Posted to the web 18 February 2008
http://allafrica.com/stories/200802180051.html
I'm NOT conflicted, Jeff ... just very disappointed, that everyone simply ASSUMED and BELIEVED that the 'emperor' was fully clothed and convinced themselves, with the help of the MSM and the Bama-machine, that the 'One' wasn't a bare-assed (foreign born?) radical!
Time to get down to demanding full disclosure of the facts, which SHOULD have already been accomplished by the FBI and CIA and DNC and FEC ...
More to the point, and as a matter of simple respect for the American people, why mask & disguise instead of fully and completely disclosing - and being proud of - one's birthright!
Don't let your guard down ... he's sadly "still the dubious and questionable ONE" who has a lot of explaining to do!
Richard Lawrence
Not to quibble, but Obama is NOT the President Elect until voted on by the Electoral College.
That is really the only election which matters Constitutionaly.
Good article Jeff, and it says exactly what I said last nite, that in the long run, it will be a great thing for our country, and the republicans.
As for his birth certificate, as much as the Supreme Court may find a way out of this, it troubles me that they would. It is their job to protect the constitution of this United States, and they need to do this for that reason alone. If they fail to do so, they will have proven to me that they have their own interests at heart before their sworn duties to protect from enemies within and without our borders.
I don't think this matter will ever be resolved the way we want it to be, I feel the Supreme Court will dismiss the case primarily because of what you stated, 63 million Americans elected this man as their Commander-in-Chief.
If we were so lucky and the truth came out against Obama, I think his supporters would fight to keep him in office, they probably will not his faults and fight for him anyway, can the Constitution be changed that easily to enable him to be POTUS when not naturally born in the US? I've heard different things from different people, but I feel you're the one that will give me a more thorough explanation.
Thanks a lot, Jeff!
Jeff - Again a well-reasoned and HONEST (how refreshing) essay. I agree with everything you say. But I think you stop short.
You do indeed address "the issues" - the economy in particular. You wonder if we will "learn a lesson" about his socialist tendencies. But the yin and yang of "issues" is always there with every election. So that is not worth us whining over. If that were the only problem, we would indeed just need to move on.
You mention the constitutional crisis aspect of this election. This is significant (and different for this election) and MUST be addressed.
But this leads directly to the BIGGEST issue that nobody wants to say - so I will. A person in a high government position who is not a citizen - is a SPY! Until this has been cleared up, we can and must assume that we have been infilterated.
This is why we don't dare just talk ourselves into quietly going away. This is the worst crisis our country has EVER faced. You have begun to hint that maybe we should just move on. God help and God bless.
Thanks, John. I hope Mr. Berg incorporates those stats into any pleading to the Supreme Court.
John:
I am glad someone can do math, and be able to communicate the results! I am quoting you from now on, hope you don't mind!
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I AM NOT conflicted. Everything that can be done must be done to keep him from taking office. (I wish with all my heart that he was black AND believed in fixing what is broken, not revolutionizing America.)
PLEASE READ http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/55350.html !!! It is a article showing that he his ACORN strategy tactics in place nationally. I saw an add on TV last night from dividedwefail.org telling " Obama President elect, we are ready to help you."
Conflicted? Say it ain't so, Joe. The stress and lack of sleep are getting to you.
Obama has had since AUGUST to clarify all of this. If voters are disenfranchised, it is his fault and the fault of the DNC. Duped voters need to learn they have been duped - and they need to know that they have been knowingly lied to and used by the party they worship. This is called EDUCATION. It is a necessary part of growing up. Right is right - even when the timing or consequences are unpredictable or uncomfortable.
Now, go get some sleep, play with the kids, and come back when you're feeling better.
Jeff, You printed this article by Edwin Vieira on your site and IT TOTALLY EXPLAINS why this particular issue is important to us as a country and us as a people and why we must all do everything we can to hepl and give encouragement to Berg and his work:
What are some of those consequences?
First, if Obama is not “a natural born Citizen” or has renounced such citizenship, he is simply not eligible for “the Office of President” (Article II, Section 1, Clause 4). That being so, he cannot be “elected” by the voters, by the Electoral College, or by the House of Representatives (see Amendment XII). For neither the voters, nor the Electors, nor Members of the House can change the constitutional requirement, even by unanimous vote inter sese (see Article V). If, nonetheless, the voters, the Electors, or the Members of the House purport to “elect” Obama, he will be nothing but an usurper, because the Constitution defines him as such. And he can never become anything else, because an usurper cannot gain legitimacy if even all of the country aid, abets, accedes to, or acquiesces in his usurpation.
Second, if Obama dares to take the Presidential “Oath or Affirmation” of office, knowing that he is not “a natural born Citizen,” he will commit the crime of perjury or false swearing (see Article II, Section 1, Clause 7). For, being ineligible for “the Office of President, he cannot “faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States,” or even execute it at all, to any degree. Thus, his very act of taking the “Oath or Affirmation” will be a violation thereof! So, even if the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court himself looks the other way and administers the “Oath or Affirmation,” Obama will derive no authority whatsoever from it.
Third, his purported “Oath or Affirmation” being perjured from the beginning, Obama’s every subsequent act in the usurped “Office of President” will be a criminal offense under Title 18, United States Code, Section 242, which provides that:
[w]hoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States * * * shall be fined * * * or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined * * * or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, * * *, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined * * * or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
Plainly enough, every supposedly “official” act performed by an usurper in the President’s chair will be an act “under color of law” that necessarily and unavoidably “subjects [some] person * * * to the deprivation of [some] rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution * * * of the United States”—in the most general case, of the constitutional “right[ ]” to an eligible and duly elected individual serving as President, and the corresponding constitutional “immunit[y]” from subjection to an usurper pretending to be “the President.”
Fourth, if he turns out to be nothing but an usurper acting in the guise of “the President,” Obama will not constitutionally be the “Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States” (see Article II, Section 2, Clause 1). Therefore, he will be entitled to no obedience whatsoever from anyone in those forces. Indeed, for officers or men to follow any of his purported “orders” will constitute a serious breach of military discipline—and in extreme circumstances perhaps even “war crimes.” In addition, no one in any civilian agency in the Executive Branch of the General Government will be required to put into effect any of Obama’s purported “proclamations,” “executive orders,” or “directives.”
Fifth, as nothing but an usurper (if he becomes one), Obama will have no conceivable authority “to make Treaties”, or to “nominate, and * * * appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the Supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not * * * otherwise provided for [in the Constitution]” (Article II, Section 2, Clause 2). And therefore any “Treaties” or “nominat[ions], and * * * appoint[ments]” he purports to “make” will be void ab initio, no matter what the Senate does, because the Senate can neither authorize an usurper to take such actions in the first place, nor thereafter ratify them. One need not be a lawyer to foresee what further, perhaps irremediable, chaos must ensue if an usurper, even with “the Advice and Consent of the Senate”, unconstitutionally “appoint[s] * * * Judges of the Supreme Court” whose votes thereafter make up the majorities that wrongly decide critical “Cases” of constitutional law.
Sixth, and perhaps most importantly, Congress can pass no law while an usurper pretends to occupy “the Office of President.” The Constitution provides that “[e]very Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States” (Article I, Section 7, Clause 2). Not to an usurper posturing as “the President of the United States,” but to the true and rightful President. If no such true and rightful President occupies the White House, no “Bill” will or can, “before it become a Law, be presented to [him].” If no “Bill” is so presented, no “Bill” will or can become a “Law.” And any purported “Law” that the usurper “approve[s]” and “sign[s],” or that Congress passes over the usurper’s “Objections,” will be a nullity. Thus, if Obama deceitfully “enters office” as an usurper, Congress will be rendered effectively impotent for as long as it acquiesces in his pretenses as “President.”
Seventh, if Obama does become an usurper posturing as “the President,” Congress cannot even impeach him because, not being the actual President, he cannot be “removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors” (see Article II, Section 4). In that case, some other public officials would have to arrest him—with physical force, if he would not go along quietly—in order to prevent him from continuing his imposture. Obviously, this could possibly lead to armed conflicts within the General Government itself, or among the States and the people.
Eighth, even did something approaching civil war not eventuate from Obama’s hypothetical usurpation, if the Establishment allowed Obama to pretend to be “the President,” and the people acquiesced in that charade, just about everything that was done during his faux “tenure in office” by anyone connected with the Executive Branch of the General Government, and quite a bit done by the Legislative Branch and perhaps the Judicial Branch as well, would be arguably illegitimate and subject to being overturned when a constitutional President was finally installed in office. The potential for chaos, both domestically and internationally, arising out of this systemic uncertainty is breathtaking.
The underlying problem will not be obviated if Obama, his partisans in the Democratic Party, and his cheerleaders and cover-up artists in the big media simply stonewall the issue of his (non)citizenship and contrive for him to win the Presidential election. The cat is already out of the bag and running all over the Internet. If he continues to dodge the issue, Obama will be dogged with this question every day of his purported “Presidency.” And inevitably the truth will out. For the issue is too simple, the evidence (or lack of it) too accessible. Either Obama can prove that he is “a natural born Citizen” who has not renounced his citizenship; or he cannot. And he will not be allowed to slip through with some doctored “birth certificate” generated long after the alleged fact. On a matter this important, Americans will demand that, before its authenticity is accepted, any supposed documentary evidence of that sort be subjected to reproducible forensic analyses conducted by reputable, independent investigators and laboratories above any suspicion of being influenced by or colluding with any public official, bureaucracy, political party, or other special-interest organization whatsoever.
Berg v. Obama may very well end up in the Supreme Court. Yet that ought to be unnecessary. For Obama’s moral duty is to produce the evidence of his citizenship sua sponte et instanter. Otherwise, he will be personally responsible for all the consequences of his refusal to do so.
Of course, if Obama knows that he is not “a natural born Citizen” who never renounced his American citizenship, then he also knows that he and his henchmen have perpetrated numerous election-related frauds throughout the country—the latest, still-ongoing one a colossal swindle targeting the American people as a whole. If that is the case, his refusal “to be a witness against himself” is perfectly explicable and even defensible on the grounds of the Fifth Amendment. Howsoever justified as a matter of criminal law, though, Obama’s silence and inaction will not obviate the necessity for him to prove his eligibility for “the Office of President.” The Constitution may permit him to “take the Fifth;” but it will not suffer him to employ that evasion as a means to usurp the Presidency of the United States.
© 2008 Edwin Vieira, Jr. - All Rights Reserve (partially copied of the most important reasons for continued work on this subject-the whole of this article is already on this site located below a few days ago)
Claudia,
Reno, NV.
I would recommend any to offer all help you can give to Berg in factfinding or other type you can give. He needs it and all of our positive thoughts. There is a definite fate that will await our Country if this man becomes President and he is not legally entitled to become that.
I'll drop in once again and remind you all if you are a lawyer or have the money to hire one, many states like Florida allow any taxpayer to challenge the results of election on grounds of the candidate's qualification.
You don't need to be a candidate or elector to bring these suits.
If your state went for Obama, check your laws and drag him to court to prove he's qualified!
>>>While I am prepared to accept the man as president<<<
Well, I am not. I do not consider BO the duly elected President and never will until he clears up two things: 1. qualification to serve, and 2. proof no money was illegally funneled into his campaign. If those two items are not dealt with, he will forever be an interloper in my mind.
Thanks for a well written piece Jeff. I am a Obmama supporter and I am loving the unprecedented postive energy that the nation and the world has had these past few days. It's what our country has needed so badly for so long and it will help move us in the direction that we as a nation desperately need to move in TOGETHER (left and right, as a nation.
As for the Berg case, keep in mind that Obama and his peeps have on SEVERAL occassions provided his proof of citizenship via his Hawaiian birth certificate which has been certified by many as legit. THAT does qualify for what the constitution requires. The SC is going to view that as the qualification and therefore toss the Berg case out. Think about it, I know you've started to!! :)
Focus the engergy on what we have to do to pick up this country again and make it great. Pushing this Berg case is NOT going to take us in the direction we need.
Thanks!
The Constitution was created to give us peace - a peace that comes knowing these guidelines are in place so that there wouldn't be a conflict or concern. A natural born citizen is a true citizen of these united states. Let us remember this, as BHO, the DNC, et.al have created this predicament. There is peace knowing that our forefathers thought of almost EVERYTHING! Lets all reflect on that....there is no peace until this issue is completely resolved.
GOD led our leaders now HE will continue to lead us. HE is in charge.
Jeff,
Thank you for all your efforts to speak to some good common sense. I was heartbroken at the result of this election. Policy-wise, this man stands for everything I don't agree with as does Hillary Clinton. That said, I wouldn't have the sick feeling in my stomach if Hillary had won. I wouldn't have these unanswered questions regarding Mr. Obama's past and the secrecy that he seems to avail himself in. Why can't he just produce the proof and take a least one of these mysteries surrounding him off the table.
If the supreme court does not uphold the constitution, then who will? It is imperative that the court force Obama to provide his birth certificate, or the DNC should nominate Hillary and we have a do-over. Yes, it will be chaos, but if they had moved faster and ruled prior to 11-4 we would not be in this mess.
Jeff -
As always, I agree with you completely. One of your thoughts in this entry, however,continues to bother me - "if we survive the next four years" - I can't help but be very wary of Islamic fanatacism attacking us on our own soil. Certainly, this is their chance, for a number of reasons, not the least of which is Obama's "suspect" background. What say you?
I am a liberal, and did NOT vote for Obama. I did NOT vote for McCain either.
I will stand behind Obama as my president ONLY if he produces his VAULT BC....otherwise, I am convinced he is a pathological, narsasistic LIAR, who should be JAILED.
I am furious about this!
What arrogance!
While 63 million voted for him, there are millions who voted against him and are deserving of an answer to this very basic request. If he is a "Uniter" then he can put all the questions at rest by displaying his original birth certificate. Upholding the Constitution is very important and whatever it takes to do so must be done.
One has to be conflicted over this issue, but our Constitution must be protected. If the Supreme Court will not stand up for the Constitution, then who will? If Obama has proof of his eligibility, then there should be no problem. I salute Philip J. Berg, a true Patriot.
Jeff
I think everyone should step back from this and look at it from Obama's perspective as a lawyer who is a client and a candidate. A lawyer must protect his client and his/her first instinct is avoid handing over any document just because some lawyer sues. We all know lawyers aren't "proactive" about giving up information because it may not be in the client's interest, even if it is harmless. That is why there are discovery rules in the first place. There are ethics (lawyer ethics) issues here. It can be seen as ethically wrong to hand over a document to the opposition simply because they asked for it, especially if it harms your client in an unforseen way. I've spent enough time around lawyers to know that much. My guess is that Obama was not notified personally of the suit early on or simply told his lawyers to handle it. The lawyers may not have taken it seriously enough to talk to him about it. His lawyers are doing what they are supposed to do by following the exact letter of the law and giving up only what they have to give up. It is what you would want your lawyer's to do. I think Obama's mistake may just be that he is thinking like a lawyer, and not like a politician. It is entirely possible to me that he is not surrendering the documents only because he doesn't need to legally. He regarded this as a crank lawsuit and his lawyers looked at the McCain,Goldwater and Romney suits and said "Piece f cake, no standing." His problem is actually political because people don't see this through a lawyer's eyes. He has thus created his own version of the 2000 Florida recount issue with a large number of people considering him unelected and illegitimate. Nothing will change that now, because millions of people were passiontely opposed to his election. He has this problem around his neck and it is not going away. However, it may be based on a logical error. People say that since they would hand over a document he should. But would you? No you really wouldn't hand over a document just because someone asked and your lawyer wouldn't let you. All the examples I have read on this site about people handing documents over refer to giving documents to agencies because they are used to doing so in order to receive a benefit. In other words, because they have to. No one just hands a document over, especially to an adversary. That distinction is nowlost. Judge Surrick said this was a matter for Congress to handle. When the Supreme Court drops this Berg will have to find a congressman willing to push it.
The constitutional issue is real and won't go away either. Congress will have to set a mechanism to prove eligibility for 2012. As I told you before I wish Judge Surrick had taken the bull by the horns and been an activist judge in this case and allowed the trial to go forward.
Just a comment on the number of votes cast. The number is statistically about the same as last election. It is normal for about half the eligible voters to skip it. It is ironic that in modern times the president is elected by about a quarter of the people. "Landslide" is a meaningless term although I think he received an electoral vote landslide, it is essentialy meaningless because about 25% of the people voted for him.
To the Obama supporter:
Obama merely posted a facsimile of what was asked on a website, that is not what was asked and does not constitute proof except in your alternate universe. Moreover, I would ask if you were one of the ones who went on about the Florida recount for 8 years or did you show "positive energy?"
So many issues around the Constitutional qualifications for President:
1. The fact that Obama won't show his vault birth certificate just adds to the suspicion--suspicion that Obama is knowingly hiding something. Even if he doesn't have it, he can go get a copy of it -- and could have done so while in Hawaii. "Not having it" is no excuse. Perhaps the reason is that he himself isn't sure what's on it because he's never seen it, and he doesn't want to open that can of worms and find an unpleasant surprise. It's easier to suppress it.
2. The 20th Amendment anticipated the fact that someone would sneak by the 3 requirements for President and get elected. The 20th Amendment provides for this situation, and would make Biden President. It would be much better for the country to resolve this now according to the 20th Amendment, PRIOR to the swearing in of Obama. Once Obama is sworn in as President, he isn't any more immune from the 20th Amendment, however any legislation that he signs while president (before his usurpation is proven) will be nullified since a true President did not sign it. Of course, Biden could just say "send me new copies of all that stuff and I'll sign it all".
3. If I was an Electoral College Elector, I would want to cover my a$$ and make sure that Obama was a Constitutionally qualified President-elect before I cast my state's electoral votes for him. Contact your state's Electors and tell them of your concerns!
4. If I was the chief justice of the Supreme Court, I would want to cover my a$$ and make sure that the guy I was swearing in was truly a Constitutionally qualified President-elect. Contact Chief Justice John Roberts and tell him your concerns!
5. We have four years to take action and get either some sort of Federal legislation OR new legislation in ALL 50 STATES to create a process by which Presidential candidates can prove their qualifications. The three qualifications to be President are NOT difficult to meet and are NOT difficult to prove. Every concerned citizen needs to contact his/her state and federal legislators and request (demand?) that legislation be developed within the next four years so that no one can be placed on the ballot as a Presidential candidate without having proven his/her qualification for that office. The only things Presidential candidates would have to provide would be a long-version vault birth certificate (covers their natural-born citizen status AND the age requirement) and proof that they have lived in the US for 14 years, which a passport check should cover. It is not difficult to verify the qualifications of candidates for President... so let's get our elected representatives to put the mechanism in place to do so!
Jeff, I can certainly appreciate the conflict you're experiencing.
Unlike you, I'm not a conservative. I'm actually a life-long liberal. But that doesn't prevent my anxiety over a president-elect who has chosen to allow the question of his citizenship to become a festering, divisive sore. This from a "healer"? This from a "uniter"?
We know that Obama is aware of the divisiveness of this issue. He also knows how easy it would be to put an end to it once and for all. I can't help but be very troubled that he refuses to do so.
I've used the "informed electorate" / "informed consumer" analogy before and still find it valid.
It's as if a drug company is sitting on the results of a test -- a test about which there are rumblings of grave importance -- but they won't release those results. Now, maybe the test results would put the lie to the rumblings and maybe the results would show the danger of the product, but the public needs to know one way or the other.
And why, if the results would vindicate the drug company, would that company refuse to quickly show the documentation? Or why would they simply post an abstract of the test results on a web site and count that as good enough?
Why, if Obama's long-form birth certificate could quell the rumors and suspicions and discontent, would he not quickly put an end to all this?
Like a lot of people, that's what I can't understand. That's why I, a liberal, could not bring myself to vote for him.
It would be so easy to quiet all this. Why won't he?
I have been pondering what it means to be president-elect. I know we think that is what happens after we voted and got results but if you look at it constitutionally does it mean that is not true until the electoral college has voted? After they have voted then we have a president elect? Looking at amendment 20 section 3 and assuming that the president is not truly president elect until the electors vote: What happens if neither a president or vice president is elected by the time they are to take office because of lawsuits? This is where the constitution has a hole if my assumptions on what it means to be president elect. One more pondering: What if the electors get some actual proof that the person they are suppose to vote for does not qualify before they vote? Could you imagine what a mess we would have if they did or did not vote their party? If they do vote their party then I would imagine that according the twentieth amendment that the vice president if qualified would then become president. If they did not vote their party voter disfranchisement happens. Either way its fubar.
I am not a lawyer and have not looked into more about the definition of "president elect." I know what they say about assumptions so please if anyone can clarify please do. I just pray that the right thing is done.
CAPTCHA: sessness - what happens when the "president elect" does not qualify.
how in the hell can you be "conflicted", we were betrayed, don't have sympathy for the betrayer.
Don't become a judge jeff, you need to follow the letter of the law, and the law is the constitution, and we buried that six feet under and still piling on the democratic crap....we are a republic. Are founding fathers WARNED us against a democracy.
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There is no conflict for me.
The founding fathers were aware that the public could be fooled. That is the situation we now have. Many of the people that voted for Obama voted for an illusion, a character formed in their minds by rhetoric of Obama, the build up and non coverage of the MSM and a devious long term campaign that broke many laws.
The US Constitution must be upheld for the good of all citizens and the country.
Wells
Jeff,
Thank you for your usual honest and fair report. I agree with you but I am so hoping that we will be able to uphold our Constitution. I cannot in my heart of hearts support Obama without answers to ALL the questions presented to him.
Keep up the good work Jeff....
Obama is a farce. He has lived an opaque and mendacious life. His failure to be forthcoming with a vaulted copy of his BC and adoption and re-patriation papers is appalling. I have lost faith in the MSM, and the DNC and FEC. Shame on Obama for taking the American people, like lemmings, tofall off the cliff to certain death of our Constitution and our status as a world power. We must move forward through the courts to elucidate the many unanswered questions about Obama -- or should I say, Barry Soetero? I don't know what to believe anymore. This election was a farce and a disgrace from the beginning.
What each of us has to do right now and press others to do also is, contact our Electors!! In some states it's the Secretary of State that verifies a candidate in others it's the Electors.
They will make this decision on Dec 15. We've been talking about this for weeks now. Here is the PDF of the Alabama Electors pledged to John McCain. It could possibly work to contact the Dems in your state too.
This and what Berg is doing is the ONLY hope left to make sure we're not giving a Usurper power over our freedom to take it away and also the world!
I'm offering Rep and Dem pledges in Alabama for anyone who needs the information:
http://www.sos.state.al.us/downloads/election/2008/general/Electors-Pledged-to-Senator-McCain-Republican-Party.pdf
http://www.sos.state.al.us/downloads/election/2008/general/Electors-Pledged-to-Senator-Obama-Democratic-Party.pdf
Here's where we differ Jeff...I am NOT conflicted in any way. For the American citizen, the Constitution is larger than any person, ambition, road to self discovery, election, agenda, or people group on planet earth. It supercedes the 63 million who voted for Obama, and if they're disenfranchised over his inelligibility, then so be it. That burden rests on the shoulders of the pretender who duped them, not on the Constitution or former opponents willing to smooth the waters and play nice. If he's discovered to be a pretender, he will NEVER be my president, and no God-fearing American patriot should accept him as such. If you usurp the throne illegally, you are an enemy of the Kingdom. Period.
I'm not holding my breath for a favorable ruling, but that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
First 90 days:
1. Reinstate Posse Commitatus
2. Restore Habeus Corpus
3. Repeal the Patriot Act
4. Repeal the Military Commissions Act
If these are not done he is an imposter.
Don't forget the whole Univers. I read concern blogs from Nederland and other countries from Europe.Don't forget the internet.We can't hide anymore the truth about the Lawsuits, the concern of the American people about Obama's eligibility. The World is watching us and we must do the right thing. Otherwise, America won't exist anymore as a respected country, a Super Power.
Jeff
I will try and post my theory again as it didn't go though the last time.
My personnal situation very much lends itself to this case. My wife had two children from a previous marriage. About 1971 when the children would have been 6 and 8 i formally adopted both of these children. The children were born in PA and the adoption took place in RI. After the adoption was finalized PA issued new Birth Certificates with me listed as the father and the previous Birth Certificates were sealed by the court. The children don't have access to these. Checking the Hawaii site it does say it might be possible to get these after 75 years for geneology purposes.
There is an article and supposed audio tape that says Michelle Obama is stated to have said;"I am not going to stand by and let a simple thing like an adoption to stop my husband from becoming president." This plays nicely with my theory. It would appear that Barak Obama was in fact adopted by his stepfather in Hawaii before the family moved to Indonesia as Indonesia didn't allow adoptions for children over five and school was not allowed for non-citizens. If this is the case the birth certificate for Barak Obama II is on file, but is sealed by the court and therefore can't be copied or released to anyone.
One other point on this matter. A Certification of Live Birth is issued for births that didn't take place in a hospital in Hawaii or that took place outside Hawaii, but were then registered in Hawaii. Births that take placed in a hospital in Hawaii recieve a Certiface of Live Birth. These are two different forms.
Dear Jeff -- I have come to appreciate your blog and insight, as, even though you are a staunch conservative, and should be proud of it, you are open minded enough to listen to both sides, which makes you not only a good lawyer, but you will likely be good judge someday.
However, I personally don't see how you, are anyone, should be "conflicted" with this. The constitution very clearly, without ambuiguity, lays out the BARE MINIMAL requirements to be president. If Obama can't even meet those BARE MINIMUM requirements, well that is just sad. And even more sad, in a country as great as ours, with 300 Million people, and we come up with a president who can't even meet these BARE MINIMUM requirements? It is an embarassment. And even more an embarassment when the Kenyan people are running around saying that a "Kenyan has conquered the United States". Kenya, a country with abject poverty, essentially no strong military presence, corruption, has conquered America.
What breaks my heart the most is, they are right. We, Americans, have let this happen, we let this liar and fraud take control of our beloved country, in broad daylight, right before our eyes. We have let you down, dear America, how can you ever forgive us?
There is no "conflict" Jeff. We are a nation of laws. Will there be riots and discord? Of course. But if we don't uphold the law of the land, then how good are we?
And how good are we that we let a fraud get away with this huge crime? If we do, we are no better than he.
all the discord, all the riots, all the injury and pain that will result from this, is ALL OBAMA'S FAULT. So pleaes don't let this criminal make YOU feel guilty for doing what is right.
As for the Supreme court, if an American citizen can not question the qualifications of our President, then who can? What have we become?
I am still crying about what we have done to my dear America.
Yes we could leave it alone and hope that the nation learns its lesson. Did it learn its lesson after Jimmy Carter? He was elected after the Nixon resignation disgrace. Many people voted for Mr. O because they were fed up with Bush and especially the misstep of the war in Iraq. This "I'm mad at the current administration attitude and will kick them out at any cost" is how both Mr. Carter and Mr. O won elections. Did we learn? Apparently not.
Yes we can vote for someone else in four years if we can vote. I'm very concerned about the Patriot Act with secret surveillance, secret courts and secret trials. All that you have to do is label someone a terrorist. Remember McCarthyism? Did we learn? Time will tell. The Patriot Act should be repealed.
I think that it is imperative that Mr. O provides his proof of citizenship so that he understands that he cannot get away with breaking the laws and ignoring the Constitution. There are people watching him and are not afraid to stand up to him.
Providing access to his birth certificate, citizenship, and passport records can be accomplished with a simple letter. Let's not let him get away with this.
If he is a citizen and eligible, we will be happily foolish for asking the question. If not, what else could we expect from him?
I am contacting the electors for my state. I got their names from the SOS website at: http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/voter/electoral2008.shtml#q10.
These are Texas GOP electors if anyone wants to contact them. Those in other states can probably get the names from the respective SOS offices/websites.
I am following the procedure outlined by Dr. Douglas Schell in a post on this website under comments, "The Cause Goes On."
I think many are missing the real problem with this issue of secrecy. If you have secrets, chances are somebody knows. If they are secrets that might damage you, they also own you. So if there are secrets from college records or even Indonesia, etc, he is in somebody's pocket. And that is not good for America.
Jeff, you may want to read Judah Benjamin's essay at http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/where-do-we-go-from-here where he goes over the consequences of giving Obama a pass on the Constitution's requirements if it turns out that he is not eligible to be president. Also, look at his other essay http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/one-nation-divisible-under-obama-not-indivisible-under-god
64 million voted for Barry? I don't think so. How many of those were fraudulent votes and how many not? I'm not trying to be rude, but I'm pretty sure from what I have witnessed that there are many fraudulent votes as well as many false donations.
Another thing, I'm afraid that we need to do something to uphold the Constitution. First off, if he gets enough power, then he'll just have it changed. Have y'all ever thought of that? Keep in mind who you're dealing with and the people that surround him too. It's obvious that he thinks that he's above the law.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTARY ON MR. OBAMA, HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE ISSUE AND HIS QUALIFICATION OF MEETING THE SPECIFICATION AS DELINEATED IN THE US CONSTITUTION AS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENT, IN ORDER TO BE CONSIDERED TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR PRESIDENT.
I AM IN HAWAII AND HAVE EXAMINED AND KNOW THE STATE OF HAWAII, DEPT OF HEALTH CERTIFICATE SYSTEM AND WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO DATE IS NOT A CERTIFIED, AUTHORIZED BIRTH CERTIFICATION. WHAT HAS BEEN SHOWN BY HIS ORGANIZATION IS JUST A RECORD OF HIS BIRTH THAT HAS NOT BEEN VERIFIED AND IS HAS NOT RECEIVED THE ENDORSEMENT OF THE STATE OF HAWAII, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.
THE CURRENT CERTIFICATE THAT HAS BEEN SHOWN BY HIS ORGANIZATION DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATION BY THE STATE OF HAWAII FOR AN AUTHORIZED, CERTIFIED, CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH.
I HOPE MR. OBAMA COMES FORWARD WITH HIS ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE TO PUT THIS ISSUE TO REST.
FOR THE HOPE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE I HOPE HE COMES FORWARD WITH THE TRUTH, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER BECAUSE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE DUE THE TRUTH. WE THE PEOPLE ARE PUTTING OUR TRUST IN HIM TO LEAD THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET, THE LEAST HE COULD DO IS PRESENT HIS ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND LET THE QUESTIONS BE PUT TO REST.
LET THE COURTS DECIDE IF HE QUALIFIES UNDER THE CONSTITUTION TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR PRESIDENT UNDER THE NATURAL BORN QUALIFICATION SPECIFICATION AS DELINEATED IN THE US CONSTITUTION
THE ISSUE OF HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE WAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE HE RECEIVED THE NOMINATION FROM THE DNC AS THEIR CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AT THAT POINT.
UNFORTUNATELY THE DNC CHOOSE TO IGNORE THE ISSUE AND MOVE FORWARD.
EVIDENTLY THE DNC AND PERHAPS THE OBAMA ORGANIZATION THOUGHT THEY COULD IGNORE THE CONSTITUTIONAL SPECIFICATION FOR BIRTH PROOF AS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, BUT IT WAS IGNORED.
NOW WE SHALL SEE WHAT TYPE OF MAN MR. OBAMBA IS, WILL HE BRING FORWARD TRUTH OR IGNORE IT.
THIS MAY BE THE CORNERSTONE OF HIS PRESIDENCY TO BRING FORTH TRUTH AND A TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT OR TO IGNORE THE CONSTITUTION AND JUST DO WHAT HE CAN DO TO OBTAIN HIS GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.
THANK YOU.
Anyone interested in helping before the Electoral College convenes on December 15th, should visit www.democratic-disaster.com
Andy Martin http://contrariancommentar.blogspot.com seems to feel that the electoral college is the place where Obama can be forced to show his documents.
This is not an Obama question.
This is a simple matter of our highest law, the Constitution of the United States.
I am not conflicted one single bit, nor should you be, Jeff.
The questions involved are quite simple, and so should the answers be.
What is Obama still hiding and why?
I would still think that Obama's Indonesian adoption and Indonesian citizenship would be easier to prove.
What passport did he use to visit Pakistan in his student days?
What citizenship did he claim on his college records?
What documents did he use to get a U.S. passport, if he does have one now?
Wouldn't anyone have standing in this matter, since Obama is already a Senator, and now the President elect?
And if he is a Senator AND now President elect illegally as an Indonesian citizen, don't we all already have actual damages as a result of that?
Please don't lose heart now, Jeff. We need your help and support.
Certainly, there MUST be an honest court somewhere that is honestly interested in upholding the laws of our United States, and I don't understand why this even seems to be such a problem
P. S. What could be sooo bad on Mr. O's birth certificate that he doesn't want anyone to see it?
Maybe he wasn't born in Hawaii. Or it may be that his rebellious mother named him Stanley Ann to punish her parents for her name and for not allowing her to go to the University of Washington. I doubt she could have done anything more embarrassing to them than to have a mixed race son and name it Stanley Ann. From what I have read about her, she would be capable of doing it.
I also wouldn't doubt that she took off for Kenya at 7 months pregnant. If she wasn't 21, perhaps she would have been considered a minor at the time and may have needed her parent's (or husband's) permission to obtain a passport.
If it is the name, I feel for him. He did claim that it would be an embarrassment to provide the birth certificate to the federal court. He doesn't have to let everyone see it and perhaps the Electoral College can be sworn to secrecy.
All litigation should be vigorously pursued to ensure that Obama qualifies under the constitution to serve as president.
If he is not qualified, he obviously would not want to present proof of his birth. A birth registration in Hawaii proves nothing, as foreign births can be registered. We need to see original documents.
Why would anyone believe that Obama will follow the constitution during the next 4 years? He may well suspend general elections 4 years hence, with the aid of his civilian police force that he wants to establish.
I agree with an earlier anonymous comment: Obama has not yet been elected President. His delegates have been elected, but until the Electoral College votes, he cannot properly be called the President-Elect, though that has long been the convention. At this stage, he is more of a President-Apparent, or President-Designate. As for the earlier comment that proof has been shown via the Hawaiian birth certificate, it is too ill-informed to merit a direct response. I'll just join the others here in thanking Jeff for standing up to the Cool-Aide drinking zombies who have not only swelled the ranks of Obamatons, but have so thoroughly infested the media as well.
WTHR Channel 13 the NBC affiliate in Indianapolis, Indiana sent one of their reporters to Kenya to interview Sarah Obama, the paternal grandmother for Barack. I am curious to know if she will confirm Obama's birthplace as Kenya during this visit and not Hawaii. Stay tuned!
It was noted in Newsmax.com today that Obama plans another family vacation in Hawaii next month...
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_economy/2008/11/07/148795.html
If Obama isn't eligible to assume the office of POTUS, it is then passed down to Joe Biden. He will then be our President. Hillary has nothing to do with it now. Voting for Hillary would've been much easier to handle, we all know who she and her husband are and that the country would've been run by Bill. Atleast we would've known what to expect! I am sickened with all of this. Literally! He needs to be found out. Please for all of us, keep trying everything humanly possible to get this man removed from power so we can go on and fix our country.
Whether Obama is a citizen or not should be dealt with swiftly.
Jeff, since Obama is a public figure, shouldn't his records be opened to the public. The only reason why someone like Obama who holds a public office and wanting to seal all his records would be that he has something to hide. Furthermore, to fight with citizens in courts, rather than showing his records and be done with it, shows that there is deception or fraud at work.
To remind everyone that Andy Martin is also fighting Obama to have his records unsealed. He is recruiting McCain's electors into the fight. See it here:
http://contrariancommentary.blogspot.com/2008/11/andy-martin-triggers-new-electoral.html
May God bless Mr. Berg and Mr. Andy Martin in their pursuit for the truth. God saves America!
I really wish people would quit making statements asserting the world has been much more peaceful/joyous these past few days after the election. Liberals need to realize us conservatives are upset about the outcome. However, UNLIKE liberals, us conservatives find it counter-productive to waste time and energy protesting and making a scene. We accept the fact that our guy lost and we will have to regroup.
I think the reason that this nags on people is that if there were no questions or mystery, Sen. Obama would simply release the vault copy of his birth certificate and other documentation from his youth (redacted passport, Indonesian citizenship records, etc.) that prove that he is eligible to be POTUS. His supporters so much want to believe that they are willing to rely on a piece of paper issued by the Hawaiian government within the last 5 years. Even if there is something embarassing on the original birth certificate or hospital records, that is not a valid reason to withhold it.
If anyone should be required to prove to the nation that they are a natural born citizen, it is a future President of the United States.
I am not the least bit conflicted.
I believe now, and have for some time, what I just read on USAWakeUp.org:
"History has proven that a democracy is always temporary in nature... A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury... democracy will finally collapse... usually followed by a dictatorship... Thanks to these duped voters, we will now progress rather quickly..."
I'm reeling over this. I can't believe that our government could allow this to happen to us.
I know "the people voted" -- but between shady campaign contributions, past associations that would not allow the man to get even a low-level security clearance, voter fraud, trashed military ballots, and refusing to turn over a birth certificate because it would cause "particular embarrassment" --
I know how I feel, but I can't quite get it out.
Abandoned.
I have always trusted our government to protect us -- but they allowed this to happen.
I suspect that if he had openly declared his Marxist beliefs, refused to show proof of his birth on U.S. soil, bragged about campaigning for Odinga, and paraded his "friends" before the masses while hailing their dirty deeds -- and "the people" had voted for him -- our government would have stepped back and let it happen, just as they are doing now.
"The People" spoke, after all.
What's wrong with this picture?
If Obama cannot qualify, not one single voter was "disenfranchised" .....
disenfranchised
adjective
deprived of the rights of citizenship especially the right to vote; "labor was voiceless"; "disenfrenchised masses took to the streets" [ant: enfranchised]
they all voted.....
They were DEFRAUDED
de·fraud
Pronunciation: \di-ˈfrȯd, dÄ“-\
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French defrauder, from Latin defraudare, from de- + fraudare to cheat, from fraud-, fraus fraud
Date: 14th century
: to deprive of something by deception or fraud
The Framers of the constitution were very clear on the type of government they wished us to have.
A republic is NOT majority rule, it is a centralized governement ,elected by a majority , that governs in the constraints of a very strict set of rules, The Constitution.
The election was NOT to decide that the majority wanted Obama as president( even though John's stats are so eye opening.awesome job) The election was based on electing a qualified candidate , according to the Constitution.
The Framers were very clear on this, and many of them, specifically Jefferson, wrote many articles on the importance of staying in the borders of the Constitution.
The Majority did NOT say it wanted Obama , even if he isn't a Natural Born Citizen. It voted on the premise that he WAS a qualified candidate.
Thats pure fraud, if in fact it is true. The basis of the question is not that he did anytihng wrong, illegal, or underhanded, those facts will come out AFTER the country is satisfied that he is qualified or not under the Constitution.
"An elective despotism was not the government we fought for ("Notes on The State of Virginia," 1782; emphasis Jefferson's).
The question that should be asked in my mind, is not "does he have a valid Birth Certificate?" , its much simpler than that....."Does he qualify under the Constitution?"
All the hoopla on the internet is a great stimulus..but the question is simple.and in my humble opinion, this question should be asked of every Presidential and Vice Presidential Candidate by law, by filing a packet of information with the FEC when declaring candidacy. No Different than going to the Registrar of Elections in a local race....and yes there should be a fee!
I'm with you on a lot of what you say, Jeff. I have no problem with Barack Obama, per se, but I have a huge problem with not knowing for certain whether he is or is NOT a natural-born citizen of this country. If he is, I'm behind him 100%. I'm quite proud that the USofA has finally taken a step forward and elected someone who ISN'T a white man (don't get testy, I'm a white woman myself) to the office of President. If he isn't a natural-born citizen, however, he had no business running for president and he certainly should not be sworn in as president.
I'm not holding my breath either :)
I don't necessarily believe that Obama's birth certificate (or lack there of) will prove he isn't eligible, but something is certainly amiss.
It seems logical...just show the people the proof, and be done with it. Instead he has avoided the subject, which leads me to believe he's hiding something.
I really feel like we've only hit the tip of the iceberg with this guy. He's got an entire lifetime that he keeps hidden. He and his handlers only spoon-feed the public the version they want us to know.
I guess I sound a bit like one of those conspiracy theorists...but so be it. He's hiding something...you don't have to be wacked to see it.
~T the D
http://thedrunkelephant.blogspot.com/
Re Obama being born in Kenya or that he is an Indonesian citizen:
First, the certification of live birth from Hawaii is proof that a valid birth certificate exists in the files. There is no need to show the birth certificate. The certification shows that it is there. It is like a bank book (remember bank books), which was valid legal proof that you had money in the bank. You did not have to draw the money out to show people.
Next, IF Obama had been born in Kenya, there would be a record of his mother arriving in Kenya in the archives of the Kenya government.
The critics of Obama, who allege that he was born in Kenya, have not shown anything like this. All they would have to do is to go to those files in Kenya and show that Obama’s mother had been in Kenya in 1961. But they have nothing.
I listened to the tape, and it is not clear that Obama's grandmother understood the question. The translator (who is also apparently a relative) says repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii. In any case, it is not evidence. She could be referring to Barak Obama senior, Obama’s father, who certainly was born in Kenya.
The officials in Hawaii say he was born in Hawaii. They have seen his birth certificate in his file. The thus confirm the authenticity of the certification.
The certificate (or certification, whatever) of live birth has now been accepted as legal proof of Obama's birth in Hawaii by a court in Virginia. (On Monday. See: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2123806/posts)
After Berg, several other cases against Obama on the natural born citizen issue were brought in other states.
While most of them just did what the Berg case did, which was to rule that Berg had no standing to sue, some of the others looked at the “evidence” - and concluded that the stuff was absurd.
In Ohio, for example the judge (magistrate) said:
“(Neal) presented no witnesses but himself. From that testimony, it is abundantly clear that the allegations in [Neal]’s complaint concerning “questions” about Senator Obama’s status as a “natural born citizen” are derived from Internet sources, the accuracy of which has not been demonstrated to either Defendant Brunner or this Magistrate … Given the paucity of evidence… this Magistrate cannot conclude that Defendant Brunner has abused her discretion in failing to launch an investigation into Senator Obama’s qualifications to hold the office of President of the United States. ” See:
http://www.oxfordpress.com/hp/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/10/31/ws103108obamasuit.html
In Virginia, which was just ruled on Monday, the judge went further and said that the certificate of live birth was good proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, and there was NO proof presented that he was born anywhere else.
Here is a report from a web posting that is not official, of course, but it seems accurate mainly because the fellow who posted it was AGAINST Obama. He is disappointed, but accepts the ruling. You can find this post at : (
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2123806/posts)
(Note that sometimes the author correctly puts COLB correctly and sometimes he types it as CLOB, but he means certificate of live birth throughout.)
Quotes:
The Court made the following findings:
1. The Certification of Live Birth presented to the court is unquestionably authentic.
The court noted that the certification had a raised seal from the state of Hawaii, had a stamp bearing the signature of the registrar of vital statistics. The court found “wholly unpersuasive” any of the internet claims that the birth certificate was altered in any way. Furthermore, the document itself was accompanied by an affidavit from the State Health Director (of Hawaii) verifying that the document is an authentic certification of live birth. The court held that there could be no doubt that the document was authentic unless one believed that the state of Hawaii’s health department were in on an elaborate and complex conspiracy – and that there is not a shred of evidence that this is the case.
2. The Certification of Live Birth establishes that Mr. Obama is a natural born citizen.
The affidavit of the State Health Director states that the information on the CLOB is identical to the information on the “vault” copy of the birth certificate, and that both documents establish that Mr. Obama was born in Honolulu. The Court noted that the CLOB is valid for all citizenship purposes. The court noted our argument that the COLB is not valid for determining citizenship, but referred us to Hawaiian law that states otherwise. “There is no difference between a certificate and a certification of live birth in the eyes of the state. For instance, either can be used to confirm U.S. citizenship to obtain a passport or state ID.” The court found that Hawaiian law makes the COLB valid for all purposes with the exception of determining native Hawaiian heritage for certain state and federal benefits. The court held that if Mr. Obama were born elsewhere and the birth registered in Hawaii, the “place of birth” line on the COLB would reflect that fact. The court stated that there could be no doubt that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii and that any argument to the contrary was fanciful and relied on completely unsubstantiated internet rumors.
3. For that reason, 8 U.S.C. §1401(g), which at the relevant time provided as follows:
“The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: ***(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:…..
is irrelevant to this matter, as Mr. Obama was conclusively born in Hawaii.
4. Mr. Obama did hold dual citizenship in the U.S. and Kenya until he became an adult. When Barack Obama Jr. was born Kenya was a British colony. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.’s children: “British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.” In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UK. Obama’s UK citizenship became an Kenyan citizenship on Dec. 12, 1963, when Kenya formally gained its independence from the United Kingdom. The court noted that Chapter VI, Section 87 of the Kenyan Constitution specifies that:
1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963…
2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.
Thus the court held that as a citizen of the UK who was born in Kenya, Obama’s father automatically received Kenyan citizenship via subsection (1). So given that Obama qualified for citizen of the UK status at birth and given that Obama’s father became a Kenyan citizen via subsection (1), thus Obama did in fact have Kenyan citizenship in 1963.
However, the court further held that the Kenyan Constitution prohibits dual citizenship for adults. Kenya recognizes dual citizenship for children, but Kenya’s Constitution specifies that at age 21, Kenyan citizens who possesses citizenship in more than one country automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship unless they formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya. The court held that there was no evidence that Mr. Obama has ever renounced his U.S. citizenship or sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4, 1982.
The court held that there was no legal requirement that Mr. Obama renounce his Kenyan citizenship or affirm his U.S. citizenship in order to maintain his status as a natural born citizen.
5. Mr. Obama did not lose his U.S. Citizenship based on the acts of his parents, including adoption by an Indonesian citizen. The Court held that no action taken by the parents of an American child can strip that child of his citizenship. The court cited to the 1952 Immigration & Nationality Act, Title III, Chapter 3, Sections 349 and 355, which was in effect in the late 1960s when Obama went to Indonesia, and which stated that a minor does not lose his US citizenship upon the naturalization of his parents or any other actions of his parents, so long as the minor returns to the US and establishes permanent US residency before the age of 21. Thus the adoption of Obama did not serve to strip him of his U.S. citizenship. The fact that Indonesian law does not allow dual citizenship is irrelevant, as U.S. law controls. Furthermore, the Court held that traveling on a foreign passport does not strip an American of his citizenship. The Court noted first that there was no evidence that Mr. Obama traveled on an Indonesian passport (Mr. Berg and others we reached out to for evidence never provided any evidence of this claim or any other of the claims we could have used some proof of.) Nonetheless, the court held that such travel does not divest an American of his citizenship.
The Court makes other holdings and findings that I won’t bother you with here. Needless to say, the decision is wholly against us. The court finds the claims against Mr. Obama’s citizenship “wholly unpersuasive and bordering on the frivolous, especially in light of the complete absence of any first-hand evidence on any critical issue” and further classifies it as “conspiracy theory of the lowest sort, fueled by nothing than internet rumor and those who truly want to believe egging each other on.”
I like the part about “conspiracy theory of the lowest sort.”
Repeat: “The court held that if Mr. Obama were born elsewhere and the birth registered in Hawaii, the “place of birth” line on the COLB would reflect that fact. The court stated that there could be no doubt that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii and that any argument to the contrary was fanciful and relied on completely unsubstantiated internet rumors.”
Help us get information to each of the Electors (GOP and Dem). This effort could help Berg's efforts. We need people in every state. Go to www.democratic-disaster.com to help!!!
The scariest thing for me is to know that with this precedent being set, there is some jihadist here right now who is on student visa (21 years of age) in one of our liberal universities who will remain here for the next 14 years until the age 35 (who was not born here!!) with similar eloquence of speech that with the proper extremist grass roots money machine backing him that will run for president in 2024 all for the purpose of taking down this republic for the sake of Islam. Wake up America!
From Mainemom:
Jeff, I truly respect you and do understand your conflicted feelings, for all the reasons you outlined. I understand them because I share them.
What I say now, I say with no joy.
Today I made a very difficult decision, probably the most difficult decision I have ever made. I have formally joined the efforts of those who are pursuing an inititive directed at the Electoral College; I spent my lunch break mailing a certified letter to my SoS.
What swayed me over the edge was thinking about our national security. I have studied several articles on this constitutional crisis and do believe that a usurper represents a very real risk. We the People need to know that he is constitutionally eligible.
Then we can go back to the business of becoming more responsible and involved citizens.
If anyone wants to contribute to this effort it is very important that they coordinate their efforts with others across many states.
This website explains the process that is underway:
http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=604
the defined plan is at the bottom of the page.
According to the postings on www.democratic-disaster.com, about 15 states are now represented in this initiative.
Just found http://change.gov and all I can say is wtf? Office of the President Elect? What is that? Also found this President elect "But, one is constitutionally the president-elect only after being chosen by the Electoral College." Looks like the so called constitutional liewer needs a refresher course.
CAPTCHA:messesar - a depresssed dinosaur.
API still maintains that they have the supposed 'Michelle Obama tapes,' are suing Fox News over breach of contract, and will still release the tapes to the public.
I doubt it; I think the API thing is a scam. But if the tapes do exist --- and I doubt it --- and API releases them, I will not only cheer for joy but also personally apologize to API. The one thing I keep coming back to is, "Would API really be so bold as to concoct a story involving very powerful entities like the CIA and U.S. Embassy, as well as the Norwegian authorities themselves who could readily arrest API's chief editor for fraudulent international meddling?" I wonder; no sensible person would do such a thing. Maybe, just maybe, API might come through and get the tapes to the public, but don't count on it.
I am in disagreement with your premise. Before the election we were told that no one had standing until he was elected to demand his credentials. Now that he has been elected your premise is it would be destructive to our nations fabric to ask. What a joke. The point isn't to play nice the point is whether he fulfills the requirements or not. If not he is an impostor. He knows full well what the requirements are and if he ran despite not being eligible he should go to jail for the opportunities, and money he has wasted. He has brought a level of fraud, disingenuity and lack of any concern for America into this election process that has never been matched. He is our first affirmative action candidate and we scrapped the bottom of the barrel in our urge for a Kodachrome moment. This will take longer to repair than the spectacle of our President debating on the meaning of is. The color of a man/woman's skin is supposed to be irrelevant. Their character and achievement are what counts. Why were we in such a hurray? Did we have no faith that a black man of strengths would be nominated so all the guy needed to do was look good and be pushed along? We need to be sure about Mr Obama's birth, Indonesian, Kenyan citizenships and any fraud in his campaign re votes and money. Then if he is eligible he will become President. I wouldn't be so sure it will be as easy to remove him even if he is a disaster for America. Remember Hitler.
He will go down as the "bastard president", an illegitimate president.
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First, the certification of live birth is proof that Obama was born in Hawaii. It is not necessary for him to show a birth certificate because the certification is a legal document showing that the birth certificate exists in the files. It is like a bank book, which proved that you had money in the bank. The certification has now been accepted by at least one court.
Then, IF Obama had been born in Kenya, there would be a record of his mother arriving in Kenya in the archives of the Kenya government.
The critics of Obama, who allege that he was born in Kenya, have not shown anything like this. All they would have to do is to go to those files in Kenya and show that Obama’s mother had been in Kenya in 1961. But they have nothing.
I listened to the tape, and it is not clear that Obama’s grandmother understood the question. The translator (who is also apparently a relative) says repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii. In any case, it is not evidence. She could be referring to Barak Obama senior, Obama’s father, who certainly was born in Kenya.
The officials in Hawaii say he was born in Hawaii. They have seen his birth certificate in his file. They are thus confirming the certification. And, they have no reason to lie.
The certificate (or certification, whatever) of live birth has been accepted as legal proof of Obama’s birth in Hawaii by a court in Virginia. (Monday. See: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2123806/posts)
After Berg, several other cases against Obama on the natural born citizen issue were brought in other states.
While most of them just did what the Berg case did, which was to rule that Berg had no standing to sue, some of the others looked at the “evidence” - and concluded that the stuff was absurd.
In Ohio, for example the judge (magistrate) said:
“(Neal) presented no witnesses but himself. From that testimony, it is abundantly clear that the allegations in [Neal]’s complaint concerning “questions” about Senator Obama’s status as a “natural born citizen” are derived from Internet sources, the accuracy of which has not been demonstrated to either Defendant Brunner or this Magistrate … Given the paucity of evidence… this Magistrate cannot conclude that Defendant Brunner has abused her discretion in failing to launch an investigation into Senator Obama’s qualifications to hold the office of President of the United States. ” See:
http://www.oxfordpress.com/hp/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/10/31/ws103108obamasuit.html
In Virginia, which was just ruled on Monday, the judge went further and said that the certificate of live birth was good proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, and there was NO proof presented that he was born anywhere else.
Here is a report from a web posting that is not official, of course, but it seems accurate mainly because the fellow who posted it was AGAINST Obama. He is disappointed, but accepts the ruling. You can find this post at : (
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2123806/posts)
(Note that sometimes the author correctly puts COLB correctly and sometimes he types it as CLOB, but he means certificate of live birth throughout.)
Quotes:
The Court made the following findings:
1. The Certification of Live Birth presented to the court is unquestionably authentic.
The court noted that the certification had a raised seal from the state of Hawaii, had a stamp bearing the signature of the registrar of vital statistics. The court found “wholly unpersuasive” any of the internet claims that the birth certificate was altered in any way. Furthermore, the document itself was accompanied by an affidavit from the State Health Director (of Hawaii) verifying that the document is an authentic certification of live birth. The court held that there could be no doubt that the document was authentic unless one believed that the state of Hawaii’s health department were in on an elaborate and complex conspiracy – and that there is not a shred of evidence that this is the case.
2. The Certification of Live Birth establishes that Mr. Obama is a natural born citizen.
The affidavit of the State Health Director states that the information on the CLOB is identical to the information on the “vault” copy of the birth certificate, and that both documents establish that Mr. Obama was born in Honolulu. The Court noted that the CLOB is valid for all citizenship purposes. The court noted our argument that the COLB is not valid for determining citizenship, but referred us to Hawaiian law that states otherwise. “There is no difference between a certificate and a certification of live birth in the eyes of the state. For instance, either can be used to confirm U.S. citizenship to obtain a passport or state ID.” The court found that Hawaiian law makes the COLB valid for all purposes with the exception of determining native Hawaiian heritage for certain state and federal benefits. The court held that if Mr. Obama were born elsewhere and the birth registered in Hawaii, the “place of birth” line on the COLB would reflect that fact. The court stated that there could be no doubt that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii and that any argument to the contrary was fanciful and relied on completely unsubstantiated internet rumors.
3. For that reason, 8 U.S.C. §1401(g), which at the relevant time provided as follows:
“The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: ***(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:…..
is irrelevant to this matter, as Mr. Obama was conclusively born in Hawaii.
4. Mr. Obama did hold dual citizenship in the U.S. and Kenya until he became an adult. When Barack Obama Jr. was born Kenya was a British colony. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.’s children: “British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.” In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UK. Obama’s UK citizenship became an Kenyan citizenship on Dec. 12, 1963, when Kenya formally gained its independence from the United Kingdom. The court noted that Chapter VI, Section 87 of the Kenyan Constitution specifies that:
1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963…
2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.
Thus the court held that as a citizen of the UK who was born in Kenya, Obama’s father automatically received Kenyan citizenship via subsection (1). So given that Obama qualified for citizen of the UK status at birth and given that Obama’s father became a Kenyan citizen via subsection (1), thus Obama did in fact have Kenyan citizenship in 1963.
However, the court further held that the Kenyan Constitution prohibits dual citizenship for adults. Kenya recognizes dual citizenship for children, but Kenya’s Constitution specifies that at age 21, Kenyan citizens who possesses citizenship in more than one country automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship unless they formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya. The court held that there was no evidence that Mr. Obama has ever renounced his U.S. citizenship or sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4, 1982.
The court held that there was no legal requirement that Mr. Obama renounce his Kenyan citizenship or affirm his U.S. citizenship in order to maintain his status as a natural born citizen.
5. Mr. Obama did not lose his U.S. Citizenship based on the acts of his parents, including adoption by an Indonesian citizen. The Court held that no action taken by the parents of an American child can strip that child of his citizenship. The court cited to the 1952 Immigration & Nationality Act, Title III, Chapter 3, Sections 349 and 355, which was in effect in the late 1960s when Obama went to Indonesia, and which stated that a minor does not lose his US citizenship upon the naturalization of his parents or any other actions of his parents, so long as the minor returns to the US and establishes permanent US residency before the age of 21. Thus the adoption of Obama did not serve to strip him of his U.S. citizenship. The fact that Indonesian law does not allow dual citizenship is irrelevant, as U.S. law controls. Furthermore, the Court held that traveling on a foreign passport does not strip an American of his citizenship. The Court noted first that there was no evidence that Mr. Obama traveled on an Indonesian passport (Mr. Berg and others we reached out to for evidence never provided any evidence of this claim or any other of the claims we could have used some proof of.) Nonetheless, the court held that such travel does not divest an American of his citizenship.
The Court makes other holdings and findings that I won’t bother you with here. Needless to say, the decision is wholly against us. The court finds the claims against Mr. Obama’s citizenship “wholly unpersuasive and bordering on the frivolous, especially in light of the complete absence of any first-hand evidence on any critical issue” and further classifies it as “conspiracy theory of the lowest sort, fueled by nothing than internet rumor and those who truly want to believe egging each other on.”
I like the part about “conspiracy theory of the lowest sort.”
Repeat: “The court held that if Mr. Obama were born elsewhere and the birth registered in Hawaii, the “place of birth” line on the COLB would reflect that fact. The court stated that there could be no doubt that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii and that any argument to the contrary was fanciful and relied on completely unsubstantiated internet rumors.”
The latest from Andy Martin who is calling for all McCain Electors to ‘jam up’ the Electoral College with parliamentary procedures and demands to see Barack Obama’s original, typewritten 1961 birth certificate:
http://www.contrariancommentary.com/community/Home/tabid/36/mid/363/newsid363/314/Default.aspx
The latest from Steve Marquis ( http://www.peoplespassions.org/ whose own lawsuit was dismissed for "lack of standing") on the lawsuits of Vice Presidential candidate Wiley Drake Sr. ( wileydrake@hotmail.com )
and of 24 Electors who were supposed to have filed last Monday, demanding proof of Obama's qualifications to be President (ELECTORS MAY ADD THEIR NAMES TO THIS LAWSUIT):
http://www.peoplespassions.org/documents/Press_Release_08_10_31.htm
http://www.peoplespassions.org/
Steve Marquis' website has been redesigned since I first saw it, but I believe he's the man who decided with his wife (whose cancer treatment severely depleted their funds) that the future of America left to their 5 grandchildren is more important than their standard of living. A woman in Texas who read of his lawsuit sent him a thank-you letter, enclosing the only dollar she could spare.
I'm glad to see everyone has finally gotten over their depression/self pity, and is ready to STOP this travesty! Even if you can't donate money, you can WRITE your comgressmen, your state electors, your governors, your newscasters, and anyone else you think might help!
As one anonymous said in his 3:46 post....If BHO isn't eligible to be POTUS, it would fall to Biden and that Hillary would not be involved.
I think it matters when (and if) is is proven to be ineligible. My understanding is once the oath of office is administered, Biden would become POTUS if BHO is proven in eligible. Prior to that I believe Biden would have been voted by the EC to become VP but not President. After all, Biden got less than 10,000 during the primaries. I do believe Hillary would be in line to be POTUS.
Anyone care to comment on this?
Thanks!!!
Jeff, you may be conflicted, however, I'm not.
Simply stating, the oath of office states clearly the it's the duty of the swearer to 'protect and defend 'The Constitution of The United States of America, from all enemies, Foreign or Domestic', so help me God'.
Nowhere does it say that they blindly obey the orders of the office holder, or the American Public.
The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Therefore, if any law written by Congress and signed into law by President becomes null and void if the SCOTUS finds it in direct conflict of the Constitution.
And SCOTUS has and obligation to consider and pronounce judgment in regards to any matter that they seem could be in conflict against the Constitution.
In another words, even a law legislated by the representatives of the people and signed into law by the chief executive of the nation must be nullified if it's in direct contradiction to the Constitution.
The Constitution of United States stands above all else. This was agreed to by the 13 states that ratified the Constitution when this nation was born. And any other state that joined the Union thereafter.
Therefore, the requirement in the Article II for the qualification to hold the office of the Presidency is not a suggestion. It's a requirement.
Therefore, EVERYONE who has taken the oath are REQUIRED to uphold it.
If Obama is not a natural born citizen, then, the fault lies with Obama, DNC and anybody and everybody that aided and abetted this fraud. In fact, they would guilty of the charge of treason.
My belief is that if Obama does not qualify, then, BOTH Obama and Sen. Biden become ineligible. Simply put, BOTH Obama and Sen. Biden ran as a ticket not separately. Therefore, if Obama is ineligible, then that ticket receives 0 votes across the nation.
This matter having such direct implication to the qualifications stated specifically in Article II leads me to believe that SCOTUS will take up this matter.
There's no gray area here. There is no interpretation of the statements of qualification clause in Article II. Regardless of the ideology of any of the justices, they have to follow the Constitution. They, themselves, swore and oath to it.
I expect SCOTUS to not send this matter back to Judge Surrick, instead, I expect SCOTUS to demand the defendant to provide proper documents themselves. And, if Obama can't show that he is a natural born citizen, then, I expect SCOTUS to render a 9-0 decision in favor of Mr. Berg.
As for disenfranchisement argument, that would be laid on the foot of the DNC, nobody else.
Followed by Class Action suit against Obama and DNC for anyone and every that contributed monetarily to the campaign.
I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE. IF OBAMA IS NOT A CITIZEN, YOU BET SOMEBODY OUT THERE KNOWS THAT. UNTIL THIS IS CLEARED UP - THEY OWN HIM. THEREFORE THEY OWN AMERICA. AND THEY OWN US. THAT MAKES ME LIVID.
Whe don't need courts and we don't need lawsuits. We just need some public outcry and outrage. There is an impolite word for what we are doing here - just a small circle of us playing with each other.
How do we get some attention? How do we get some traction? How do we get just one large-scale news house to just simply ask the question. We don't need proof. We just need to get someone important to realize that Obama's bona fides have never been shown anywhere. And that it's reasonable to ask to see them.
I have contacted dozens of people - news organizations, RNC, senators, representatives. They are all incredulous and think we are a bunch of looneys. Why? Because nobody credible has every brought it up before. My favorite reply is that if this were "real" the MSM would be all over it.
How do we break this cycle? The best effort I have seen is the people trying to put a full page ad in USA Today. It costs $90,000 just to run it in the DC area. Nationwide, it would be millions. They have managed to raise $5000 so far. This is just a huge joke to almost everyone except for a few hundred of us.
I'm sure the courts and judges will see it the same way. It's just to preposterous to be true.
Thoughts? Comments? Ideas?
Seriously
Sounds like this is over if the court said the respondents MAY reply.
Of course they won't and the matter is done. I did not read that reply by them is mandatory.
"Even if there is something embarassing on the original birth certificate or hospital records, that is not a valid reason to withhold it."
tom, you should understand, if there is something contrary on the birth certificate from what has previously disclosed, the house of cards starts to fall with Obama's credibility. In my opinion, there are so many falsehoods in his past, it will only take one discovery to start things snowballing.
I just thought of a good example.
Remember a few Olympics back, there was a 100 yard race where Ben Johnson ran against Carl Lewis?
Although Ben Johnson crossed the finish line ahead of Carl Lewis, Carl Lewis won the Gold Medal.
All because Ben Johnson was disqualified because he failed his drug test.
You saw him cross the finish line first, tens of thousands of live spectators and million of people across the world saw him cross the finish line first. He even took a lap around the track, celebrating his accomplishment and people cheered wildly. His nation was beaming, and so very proud.
And, yet, Carl Lewis won the gold because of the rules.
Do you believe that Ben Johnson is entitled to the win? I don't think so. Had the Olympic Committee failed to enforce the rules, then, the Olympic Committee would have no authority.
They are charged with enforcing the rules. Failure to do so would have been the destruction of the Olympic ideal.
So, the same holds true here.
IF OBama is not a Natural Born Citizen, then, SCOTUS has no option except to rule in favor of Mr. Berg. To do anything else would be the invalidation of THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.
No man is above it.
What follows is a copy of an email I sent to Philip Berg today.
I don't know if he reads his email, but if anyone has is ear, Jeff, I would appreciate if this was brought to his attention:
While I'm not entirely sure that I agreed with your request for an injunction on the Nov 4th election, it was probably important for it to be out there for people to see.
Thinking about it, what is now required is an injunction on the Dec. 15th meeting of electors.
Barack Obama is technically not President-Elect UNTIL they vote.
While I am not a lawyer, it sounds like an important step in this process in the event that the SCOTUS drags things out that long.
It's a ticking clock that needs to be stopped.
Conservatives, please don't fold under mob rule rather than Constitutional rule. This guy is literally blackmailing the country. Look what he's already done - appointed a pit bull/enforcer; strongly considering a VERY pro Fairness Doctrine guy for FCC (bye, bye media conservatives); home militias; another toss under the bus - this time a Reagan rather than who it should have been, Hillary, if he had his facts straight; keeps repeating the need for "global" answers to problems (UN advocate); FOCA promoter. On and on.
What can we do? Hound the CONSERVATIVE Electors and make demands for this "one's" qualifications. The only ones you have to fear are the ones waiting to have their mortgages and gas paid for them.
He may have lined up the experts behind him to make this "emperor" look like he was actually wearing the clothes he wished, but, with all the stilted flourishes of speech, he still managed to say absolutely nothing at this first press conference. Just a real "Being There" moment - just being "present"...again.
There has been some question as to whether or not Obama’s travels during 1981 were made using an American or Indonesian passport. If he traveled on a U.S. passport would there be a record? Would travel to Pakistan, etc. have required a visa? Would there be a record of that? If those uses of the passport would have normally be recorded then there should be a record. If my previous statement is correct them would it be safe to say that in the absence of records showing those travels using a USA passport provide evidence that he must have been using a foreign passport?
Agreed. This needs to be resolved. I don't even care if there are no consequences but the birth certificate or lack thereof needs to be resolved.
On October 31, 2008, the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health certified that Obama was born in Hawaii.
To quote the press release:
"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i,” Fukino said."
The certificate of live birth, which is a prima facie document, has been confirmed as legitimate by the State of Hawai'i.
President Elect Barack Obama is a Natural born citizen.
I forgot to add this to my earlier post:
The quick and easy solution to this problem: get a relative of Obama's (like the illegal aunt before she's deported), give them a TON OF MONEY, fly them to Hawaii, take them to get a copy of his vault birth certificate, then send them off on a nice Hawaiian while you return back to the continental US with the vault birth certificate. Scan it and put it online, fax it to every single Electoral College Elector, get yourself a security team and put the paper copy in the hands of those who need to see it -- I would think the Chief Justice might be interested. If the birth certificate says what people suspect, then problem solved.
Jeff,
Is it possible that we can all send you our state's electors and SOS info and you can have a side bar that's noticable with all the info a citizen can use to contact those who are sworn by oath to uphold the Constitution and rightfully verify a candidate's eligibility.
This is our only option since Berg's case may not go anywhere.
We've all spent the past several months wondering WHO has standing. Well after all the (literal) trial and error, we know.
In some states it's the SOS and in others it's the Electors. It's easy to find out what applies to your state then you can proceed.
All of us doing this will give it a chance. You can direct every visitor to your link to Do Something About It!
I wrote above giving the Alabama electors and someone else has come along giving a link for the Texas info. There's a start!!!!
Here are the Alabama names and addresses again:
http://www.sos.state.al.us/downloads/election/2008/general/Electors-Pledged-to-Senator-McCain-Republican-Party.pdf
http://www.sos.state.al.us/downloads/election/2008/general/Electors-Pledged-to-Senator-Obama-Democratic-Party.pdf
Jeff, I’d like to suggest you consider a different style of blog. It seems that each article you publish has a mixed series of comments within the posts section (all of which are very good) but there’s no way to filter through them to discuss a specific topic. It also seems that you see the same thing being posted article after article. If we had different threads, we could each visit those specific sections and make the discussion more meaningful.
Is there a way for you to develop one section for articles and anther for threads?
The U.S. Constitution must be upheld and I am really angry that it doesn't seem like the courts are taking it seriously. Even during the transition, information that is being passed and will could be lost once the Bush administration hands over the keys.
Consider the absolute chaos that would be caused if his Presidency was discovered to be a sham during or years AFTER he has left office --- All of the laws, treaties, long-term agreements would all be null and void as described in Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr. article (found on this site) or at the very least minimum challenged.
No, we must find the truth before MORE damage is done. If he is truly a U.S. Citizen, then life goes on and we should accept him...We'll have our change again in 4 years.
This this anger at Obama's perceived failure to follow or abide by the "rules" is something I keep seeing and keep trying to understand.
First, I fully recognize that the Constitution expressly states that to be eligible to serve as President, a person must be a "natural born citizen."
This is not in dispute – by anyone, I don't believe.
What is in dispute is the proper process for determining whether a person is "eligible" as a natural born citizen to serve as President.
The same Constitution that requires the President to be a "natural born citizen" also sets forth the "rules" – the process whereby a person becomes President. Under that process, first, (Amendment 12), each state assigns electors to cast the vote for that state. Then (Amendment 20), Congress accepts and tabulates the vote and addresses any objections to the elected person when properly raised.
The Tenth Amendment expressly reserves to the states all powers not delegated to the US by the Constitution and not expressly prohibited by the Constitution. (Powers the Constitution prohibits states from exercising are reserved to "the people.")
Pursuant to the 10th Amendment, each state has enacted election laws covering the process whereby a person becomes a candidate for office, what burden of proof that person (or that person's party) must meet to prove that he (or she) would be eligible to be President, etc.
Those are the rules. If nothing else, this "situation" has exposed holes in at least many of the state laws.
For a "legal requirement" such as the "natural born citizen" requirement, there is a process established, and "rules of evidence" (of some sort) to ensure that the requirement is met.
Here, each state has established, by law, both the "process" and the "evidence" that a presidential candidate must submit to prove his/her eligibility. For example, some states have a law requiring only that the party submit an affidavit confirming that their candidate would be eligible, the "rule" is that that party must submit the affidavit. In other states whose law requires that the candidate submit an affidavit confirming that he (or she) would be eligible, the "rule" is that that candidate must submit an affidavit. That's both the applicable "process" and the applicable "rule of evidence" that applies here.
Those are the rules. They may be inadequate, and some may not like them, but those are the rules. Those rules have been followed here.
Those that don't like these rules should work to change them. In fact, as Jeff has previously reported, a Pennsylvania legislator has already introduced a bill there to modify the "rules" to require documentary evidence of eligibility.
That being said, the applicable rules, in place during this election, were followed – to date. The next "step" according to the Constitution and statutory "rules" is for Congress to consider the Electoral College vote and to address any objection properly raised. Once that process is done, it's essentially the same thing, from a legal perspective, as if the case were tried in court.
If, when Congress tabulates the Electoral College votes, an objection is properly raised in Congress and Congress considers that and determines that Obama is not eligible to be President, then, so long as Congress follows the "process" and "evidence" rules set forth in the Constitution and statute, it is over: Obama will be deemed NOT eligible to be President. And the US Supreme Court will not overrule this decision. In short, so long as the "rules" were followed – that is, so long as the Constitutional process for determining whether Constitutional requirements were met, Congress' decision will be binding as a matter of law
Conversely, if no one in Congress raises any objection, or if any objection is properly considered and rejected under the "rules" – the "process" and "evidence" rules established by the Constitution and statute, then, under the eyes of the law - as a matter of law, Obama will be deemed eligible to be President. And, again, the US Supreme Court will not overrule this decision. So long as the Constitutional process for determining whether Constitutional requirements were met, Congress' decision will be binding as a matter of law.
Those ARE the "rules." Again, the proper response if you don't like those rules is to work to change them. But no one has made the case that these rules, which were established by state and federal statute pursuant to the US Constitution, have not been followed. (At least not yet.)
SCOTUS SOUTER TELLS OBAMA TO PRODUCE NIRTH CERTIFICATE DECEMBER 1 via AtlasShrugs
Finally!
Cogitate on this: Kenya announced that they too have vaulted and sequestered his documents. OK. Well, what documents would Obama have over there? After all, he was just a tourist on vacation, going over to see relatives. So just exactly what is in the locked Kenyan vault?? Records of his taxi cab rides? Gee, could it just possibly be a Kenyan birth certificate?
Jrff,
Any comment on the post over at Atlas Shrugs re the Dec 1 date to produce the COLB?
Here's an interesting point of view on the subject. I just found this on John Symn's blog: http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/symon/081107
I found the comment on the possible suspension of the U.S. Constitution most interesting.
"Some of you good people were no doubt wondering why yours truly has not laid down an opinion on the controversy over Barack Obama's birth certificate, or is it certification? It's another example of world media blindness, because the birth certificate argument has not appeared in newspapers, radio or TV, outside of North America, leastwise I've not been able to find it. Over the past few months quite a few Republicans have written to me on the subject of Barack's birth credentials. So far, it's been a long credential break, an interlude that might only end, and the show begin somewhere closer to February. I do have an opinion on this, and this opinion has quietly grown month by month since. My opinion is simply that, my own personal opinion, and one so wild that I very much doubt anyone would share it. Let's call it my wildest imaginings ...
"While it's true that an alleged Barack Obama birth certificate has been flying around the web for much of this year, no one can tie the certificate to Barack Obama unless he personally signs an affidavit to that effect. What appears to have happened is that the thing materialized one way or another from his camp, meaning that it's no more than an anonymous averment. But since Barack's Constitutionally required to be a natural born American, one would think that he'd be getting a little fussed up over this, if for example he'd been born in Mombasa, Kenya, in Africa, as his grandmother was recorded as saying. Yet I've failed to detect any trace of nervousness in him over this mystery, and that for me is the greatest mystery of all, unless he knows something that virtually no other American has even an inkling about.
"The US Constitution is clear on the matter of Presidential requirements, but what if the US Constitution has quietly been under suspension since September 2001, through the use of "The National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C.1601-1651)" which, incidentally, prohibits any President from declaring and prolonging a State of National Emergency for more than a two year period. Yet this "Emergency" nonetheless has lasted continuously since September 11, 2001. Are COG rules in force? and if so why have House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson and Oversight Subcommittee Chairman Christopher Carney's request to scrutinize those rules been refused?
"Well, I guess they're yet another example of many others on a list that have pitched the entire world against President G W Bush. But my wild and woolly point concerning Barack Obama and his birth certificate is simply this; If President G W Bush has suspended the Constitution in order to protect America and its people, then for me it's his business. I live according to the advice of a prophet named Jeremiah, who said;
"Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man,
and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the
LORD."
Jeff
Could you please confirm???
I read on a blog, that the SC request for a reply by Dec 1, is a step that had to be signed on to by four justices...
If that is the case, would this not imply that the SC is taking this case with some level of seriousness, and not likely to dismiss if they do not get response?
Thank you
Nick
You know what everyone, all this makes me sick at heart. It's like, hey, remember our constitution? This has bound this country together for so long. Please don't give up on it.
This article was way before the birth certificate issue came out. It's an old article, so please read it and think about that. I'm posting the whole article below.
"NEWS
16 February 2008
Posted to the web 18 February 2008
By Grace Matsiko
Kampala
Ugandans have formed a group to mobilise support for Kenyan born-senator, Barack Obama for the US presidency.
The Obama Solidarity Group (OSP) launched its campaign at Makerere University on January 18, according to one of the members.
“Our group has been formed to see that our candidate gets support from not only Americans but other parts of the world including Uganda because he is a symbol of Africa in a western democracy,” Mr Silver Mulindwa, a third year student at the university, said.
“We have campaigned among the Americans working in Uganda and they have shown support for the candidate.”Obama, a senator for Illinois is campaigning against US former First Lady Hillary Clinton on the Democrats ticket to become America’s first black President.
While Obama’s rate card rose, Ms Clinton suffered an even more personal rejection on Thursday when Mr. David Wilhelm, who managed her husband’s 1992 campaign for the White House endorsed her opponent.
The defection came as Obama began to peel away sections of Clinton’s supporting coalition among working-class households, women, Catholics and older voters, to win primaries in Virginia, Maryland and Washington DC by overwhelming margins.
Clinton’s strategist, Mark Penn, tried to downplay the importance of momentum to Obama, who now has a string of eight consecutive wins. “Winning Democratic primaries is not a qualification for who can win the general election,” he told a conference call with reporters.
Mr Mulindwa said they have distributed 4,000 copies of flyers, 1,000 badges, 800 car stickers and hundreds of posters to the American citizens, diplomats, academicians, scholars and businesses in Kampala.
“This is voluntary work,” Mr Mulindwa said when asked about the campaign financiers. “We receive modest donations from the American friends and other well wishers.”
He said, at Makerere University alone, there are two groups that have been formed to campaign for Obama.
The dean of students, Mr John Ekudu said yesterday, he was not aware of the OSG but promised to establish the information.
“I don’t know about them (OSG) yet but that is interesting,” Mr Ekudu said. “But how will the students participate in the elections, will they travel to US?” he asked. But Mr Mulindwa said the solidarity members do not have to travel to US to show their support.
The university spokesman, Mr Gilbert Kadilo, said he is not aware of regulations that bar students from forming partisan groups. “I don’t think there is any regulation to bar students from forming partisan groups or serve certain interests, the disclaimer is that as long as they don’t interfere with educational activities at the university,” Mr Kadilo said.
Obama’s father, Barack Obama Snr, won a scholarship to study in Hawaii, where he met Barack’s mother, a student from Kansas city in US. The pair separated when their son was only two years old.
Mr Obama Snr continued to Harvard for a Masters, and then returned to Kenya to become a government economist before his death in a car accident in 1982.
Barack Obama’s father married three times, and the Senator is understood to have his grandmother, three uncles, three aunts and several distant cousins still living in Kenya, the UK Telegraph reported."
People say that since they would hand over a document he should. But would you? All the examples I have read on this site about people handing documents over refer to giving documents to agencies because they are used to doing so in order to receive a benefit. In other words, because they have to.
A benefit of being an American is that one can become the POTUS, and as such a full vault birth certificate is in order.
What is the purpose of the Constitution if we cloud its purpose and intent with our own emotions? The States can revise and change the Constitution, not Obama all by himself.
see?
Thanks for the Update ... I've linked to it from Obama vs Constitution via Berg vs Obama
If there exists no standing then that portion of the constitution is meaningless as nobody can insist that it is enforced. If a court can not request proof of citizenship, then anybody who is not a citizen can claim they were born in Hawaii.
Jeff, I share your divisions of feelings and reason. I also have very strong feelings on how this will end up. And my reasons are based in the Constitution and the United States Code as I described in my blog at http://gwgjlm.blogspot.com/ entitiled "The Unqualified President". And I am far from trying to boost my blog over yours, mine is intended for family and friends.
But the law as I see it would have Biden as president if BHO is not qualified. So to answwer your question of "wouldn't it be better to have BHO in office for 4 years highlighting, or exposing his real agenda a good thing for republicans" (para phrased) In theroy yes, but that would hold true for a Biden Presidency as well.
It just dawned on me coming home from work how amazing McCain and Palin and the American people were in this last election: With a difference of only around 8 million votes and getting a ratio of 52:46 this feat was amazing.
McCain-Palin got almost half of the American vote!
Consider this:
Barack Obama (BO) didn't have to show his birth, medical, college, or state senate records.
BO got to admit being a current recreational smoker and admit having smoked dope and crack in his past..and no one says a word.
The media and the DNC gave BO a free pass on his friendship with racists and anti-Americans Al Mansour, Davis, Pfleger, Wright, Farrakhan, Khalidi, Ayers and Dohrn.
There were no WMD found in Iraq and many Americans feel deceived by the Republican Administration. BO wants troops gone!
BO had the advantage of opposing the unpopular war in Iraq from the beginning.
Iraq PM Maliki agreed with BO on US withdrawal from Iraq.
Ten million Americans are unemployed.
BO's party owned the House and Senate.
McCain's nomination was not made in anticipation of an Obama, but Hillary, nomination.
The most powerful women in the world, Oprah Winfrey, endorsed BO.
More than two of the world's richest men backed BO.
Three of the four major TV networks propagated for BO.
The best campaign team and strategy money could buy promoted BO.
Hollywood stood squarely in BO's corner.
Oliver Stone released "W" just days before the election.
BO got to spend over 150,000.00 of tax payers money flying on personal business to see his ailing grandmother to wish her Happy Birthday while the media attacks Palin over clothes bought for her by the RNC that she DID NOT ask for, aides tell us.
McCain's own staff made announcements, like the clothes and Palin's daughter, that may have sabotage the campaign.
McCain-Palin were the butt of SNL while BO barely was mentioned.
Most major newspapers endorsed BO.
McCain groveled for mercy from David Letterman making him look rather goofy.
BO and Biden said very stupid things that never made it to the airways.
Palin hadn't spent 30 years in the senate like Biden nor four years to prepare to be a candidiate like BO.
She had two interviews with flukes that the media decimated her over to BO's chagrin.
Palin's daughter is pregnant out of wedlock.
Rev. Wright was off limits by McCain.
Sellouts like Powell, Buckley, Kmiec, McLaren, Schaeffer, Parker, Kristol, COGIC, Brooks, AIPAC, Noonan, Fox pundits and other fair-weather Republicans/ "conservatives" backed BO.
There were four to one negative ads run by BO.
Over 605 million dollars were donated to BO making him the largest recepient in campaign funds ever.
Relentless attacks on Palin and Joe the Plumber making them look like Hill-ary and Bill, I mean, hillbillys.
Multiple gaffes were made by McCain, Palin and the RNC.
BO made eloquent speeches in Berlin and around the world before millions.
BO had overflow crowds at the Democrat Convention.
BO was declared winner of ALL three debates.
The Economic Crisis, a certain gift for BO, trumped all other issues that matter to Americans.
Republicans Ron Paul and Alan Keyes never dropped out of the race thereby taking away some votes from McCain-Palin.
Yet, BO only got 52% of the American vote.
Amazing! Utterly amazing! I think we won.
kenfollis@juno.com
I forgot to mention the sympathy votes given due to his grandmother dying "the night before" the election.
Kenfollis@juno.com
There's a book by Rudyard Kipling, "The Man Who Would Be King", a cautionary tale Obama should read. And if you want the quick version go rent the movie of the same name, with Sean Connery & Michael Caine, directed by John Huston. It's a great film, a perfect allegory for Obama, and fun to watch. I felt better after I watched it again last night. Sorry to be off topic, but I know some of you need an emotional boost!
Hi Jeff...I have stopped by to pass along some urgent news that I received from HumanEvents.com...you probably are already aware of this, but I wanted to also give it to others who, like me, want to know if there is a website where we disenfranchised conservatives and patriotic Americans can go for information as to how to be activists in order to fight back against liberal abuse that seems inevitable in the next four years...God forbid...eight!!! Here it is...
Michael Reagan has devised a new site called ReaganRevolution.com and asks us all to join him to do the following: (quoted from newsletter)
1. STOP LIBERAL BILLS- make all new Reagan Activists aware of things proposed and how to make our voices of opposition heard by barraging the White House with faxes, calls, emails, hand delivered letters, and petitions that demand a reversal of course or face a REPUBLICAN CONGRESS IN 2010!
2. FIGHT LIBERAL EXECUTIVE ORDERS-
orders that would be a reversal of such things as pro-life directives...and giving more U.S. sovereignty to the UN and the EU.
3. EXPOSE LIBERAL CORRUPTION
4. COUNTER LIBERAL MEDIA
Michael Reagan is asking that we all fight to save America from the new liberal regime by signing-up and getting involved.
My time of grief and frustration is not over...I still feel despondent about the loss of our country to socialism and anti-Americanism...but with sites like yours, Jeff, as well as Michael Reagan's, I feel like we can reverse this together! My sense of resolve is coming back...it's not over everybody! We didn't win the American Revolution, and all other wars following to protect freedom and democracy, only to give it up to socialism and oppression. I know everyone else feels the same, or we wouldn't all be here! It is time to fight, and we will! Let's all join the Reagan Revolution and get this country back out of the hands of those who threaten to destroy it! Activism is the answer and we can win!
I feel confident of this because I was among thousands of activists who joined in to make our voices heard when McCain and others were proposing amnesty and while illegal aliens were marching by the thousands in our streets all across America...and flying the Mexican flag! McCain began to listen as did others. Now, these people are a whole different breed than McCain, and certainly lack the same integrity and honor that he has, and fighting tyrranny will be harder, but it must be done!!!!
I hope everyone will join and start fighting back!
Thanks to all that read this and will join me!
Here's the information...
ReaganRevolution.com
Michael Reagan, Chairman
Jeff,
I'm sorry to write again...but I gave everyone the wrong address to the Michael Reagan site. I'm just so tired and worried about all this...anyway...here it is....
TO JOIN THE REAGAN REVOLUTION AND BECOME AN ACTIVIST TO FIGHT THE NEW LIBERAL REGIME, GO TO:
REAGANACTION.COM
Thanks, Jeff!
How about this? Why doesn't Arnold declare his intent to run for POTUS in 2012. Then, when the outcries of "he's not a citizen" start to come out he can say he will produce exactly the same level of documentation Obama did to win election...
The argument before the election was that he was simply running but not elected. Now he is elected and the argument is well he is now elected. how insane. the way i read the law it seems to say that after he is elected he must be vetted. actually I believe we now have a stronger point that he must prove he is eligible.
I am very very very disappointed in Jeff. It is as if Jeff does not understand the issues. Jeff you are not making a good lawyer. The constitution says he must prove he is eligible and now is the time to do it. Immediately.
I strongly believe he is a citizen of Indonesia and not eligible to be president. I am not even sure he is the son of his mother and grandmother. I get this feeling he might have been simply raised by them. that they did someone else a favor in raising the child. He looks almost identical to Malcome X. INCREDIBLE.
I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED TO SEE A DIFFERENT MOTHER AND FATHER ON THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE. TELL BERG TO CHECK IT OUT.
Jeff I am super disappointed in you. Get your self together. Stop the foolish fantacy in your mind. get back to the law. force Obama to prove he is eligible. Support the constitution and think correctly. you almost sound like you have been sipping the kool aid.
Well, let's just imagine how many people would have voted for him if they knew he had lied and if they knew he was eligible according to the constitution. Sure there would be the hard core far left wingnuts who would say, "Who cares if he is foreign born!" but they are same ones who would say, "Who cares if he wants to institute a socialist government!". I can tell you now that most of the people I know who voted for him did it while holding their nose. They were voting more again the current administration than for Obama so I wouldn't feel too conflicted. Votes gained through fraud and deception can't really be considered valid votes.
Jeff, no matter our conflict, someone in our Government should be laying this matter to rest. It is astonishing that they are not - especially if we assume that he IS natural born.
That's why we need to know and it will be a great miscarriage of justice if the Supreme Court does not hear this.
Either this is a cruel joke on our Nation, or he is not natural-born.
I really appreciate the updates.
If Obama was adopted in Hawaii then his original birth certificate is sealed and a new one was issued in the name of Barry Soetoro. That is the reason he is hiding the truth.
He probably hasn't even legally changed his name back to Barack Hussein Obama.
A.) He would have had to produce his birth certificate to run for senate.
B.) He would have had to produce his birth certificate to run for president.
C.) The state of Hawaii recently validating the authenticity of his birth certificate.
D.) If you think that the highest court in the land is going to give this craptastic lawyer Berg even 2 seconds of their time, you're dreaming.
E.) Just because he's president doesn't mean any of you have any rights WHATSOEVER to his privacy. He's already proved himself to the correct authorities, which none of you are. If we allowed every whackjob who thinks they can challenge any candidate they don't like for some stupid rumor, we'd open Pandora's box for every other whackjob and we'd never get anything done.
F.) You've lost. Get over it. Do you really think this is going to go somewhere? Go pay attention to something you have a chance at changing, like your rejected party.
You're all forgetting one VERY important thing.
INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!
Until Berg can somehow present overwhelming evidence that Obama was not born in Hawaii, this lawsuit is bunk!
If we start requiring that the innocent prove their innocence to everyone who dares challenge them, then we've got a lot bigger problem with a constitutional crisis than this conspiracy theory. Which it is.
With all that has been said, should the Supreme Court fail to enforce the Constitution, what's to prevent Moammar Gadhafi from running for president after eight years of Obama?
In my estimation, this is yet another lack of respect for the law of the land, and a convenient one at that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdelQuNo8Kg
If Obama really wants to unite us, then he would willingly prove that his is a natural born citizen.
I don't think anyone would be mad (including the 64 million who voted for him) at the Supreme Court if they simply make Obama prove that he was a natural born citizen. It's really not that much to ask a man who is going to be president.
Stanley Ann squished him out from her own body ... her US citizen body. Her age at that birth is irrelevant. Under US case law at the time, her natural born citizenship makes Barack Obama Jr. a natural born citizen ... where he popped out and first breathed is irrelevant.
The weird thing about this is it would be so easy for Obama to release his "long form" birth certificate and be done with this - but he doesn't. It's almost like he perpetuates this on purpose.
That being said, I am sure such a sophisticated and well-funded organization would have no problem producing undetectable forgeries if needed. I can't see how this keeps him from being president.
I am grateful however for Mr. Berg's pursuit of the truth.
1. I just found a couple (related) sites. If anybody is interested not simply in talking (discussing) about situation but in some actions (before meeting of electors on Dec 15, 2008), please explore this:
http://www.democratic-disaster.com
You can begin from here:
http://www.democratic-disaster.com/index.php?topic=2.0
Our Gameplan and Plan of Action! « on: November 05, 2008, 08:16:18 PM »)
http://americamustknow.com/default.aspx
Feel free to let know about these sites to anybody who may be interested.
2. I'm (as a lot of others) absolutely not "conflicted" about this situation. CONSTITUTION has to be upheld without any doubts. Those who voted for Obama (63 million) simply didn't know about this constitutional matter - "congratulations" to MSM. Even GOPtrust.com (where I applied) didn't show desire (or guts ???) to put VIDEO "October Surprise" on National TV before elections. Now simple very concerned citizens (see sites above) are trying to do what a lot of officials and courts refused to do (why? - it's another matter).
No birth certificate? No HOSPITAL records? If he was indeed born in one of the two hospitals that have been mentioned, there would be a patient chart somewhere, perhaps on microfilm now. At the very least, one would think the physician(s) or a nurse or hospital admission clerk would have come forward by now if for no other reason than to brag about having been there? An underage white woman birthing a black baby would not have been a common occurrence.
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The framers of our country's Constitution were men of honor. They stipulated citizenship as a requirement for the office of POTUS without specifying a means of enforcement. Why? Because to these honorable men, it was not conceivable that any person seeking high office would be so dishonorable as to lie about this simple and basic qualification. If Obama has lied about it, he is disqualified by both the letter and the intent of the clause.
two words : you lost
some more:
stop grasping at straws - you still lost. Obama will be the next president, now be good little neo-cons and crawl back under the rocks you came from out under 8 years ago and shut up OR accept this fact and move on with reforming your party to be one that people may actually want to vote for.
enough already !
Hi All: Clearly, the Democrats do not exist as a party anymore -- they are Obamacrats by every definition and the Obamacrats do not believe in democratic principles -- winning is everything, principles be damned... I am still a Democrat at heart, but the Democrats do not exist as a party at this time, so I am a Democrat in Exile. I digress...
The issue about Obama is not whether he won a historic election, it is HOW he won the "historic" election. You can't put lipstick on a dictatorship and call it a democracy.
If you ignore principles and celebrate change, what are you actually celebrating? You can't expect a house that is built on fraud to be anything but a house built on fraud. Tainted is as tainted does. No such thing as a "benevolent dictatorship."
The Obamacrats have played this one very smart but very deviously. They will not investigate themselves. What a laugh... so, the point is win whatever way you can, then cover up because you are in power. No fear there. Karl Rove morphed into David Axelrod and sundry other Obamacrat thugs and, voila, the Obamacrats outdo even Rove.
These are more than dangerous times. For instance, Google has engaged in massive suppression of dissent and no one is even investigating. The FEC could give a rat's ass. For instance, Google set keyword pricing for the word "Obama" at onerous levels for those with dissenting websites and blogs who were using Adwords to drive traffic to their dissenting sites, but, I am absolutely sure, gave preferential rates to other political persuasions... Wonder why Google's CEO is a major advisor to Obama? Hmmmm..
Does the FEC care if Google sets hugely onerous rates on ads that are dissenting compared to ads that support their political mission? Hmmm... Not under the new ruling Obamacrats, I am sure.
Again, it is a dangerous time, and mobbing and thuggery and coups abound. Be careful out there.
As for the birth certificate issue. No official has asked for it that I know of. The "authentication" done by Hawaii "officials" did not state what was on the birth certificate, nor was an affidavit offered stating that the data on the alleged official certificate was identical to the one posted on the web.
No such proof has been offered. All statements by Obama and other officials have skated around the truth, offering essentially smoke and mirrors, not direct confirmation of the web-posted data by any means. All Hawaii did was confirm that a "birth certificate" exists. The existence of a birth certificate does not confirm eligibility for president of the United States.
Certainly, someone who feels they have to hide whatever it is that may be on their birth certificate who runs for the president of the united states, has got to be seriously out of touch with reality. Hiding personal truth, no matter what it is, is not a characteristic I want in my president.... really, come on...
Everyone else's life is essentially an open book these days, but the president should have more personal privacy than your normal citizen? What?
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Would you do the same?
To THOSE of you who are insisting that this is a non-issue, or that the "COLB" is enough to certify him as Natural Born...you are entirely missing the point.
why, why, why.... if Obama was truly natural born, why won't he just release the ORIGINAL BC...the one that was typed and given to his mother, on the day he was born? Why must he give a COPY of it, certified in 2007? Laser printed? You may say that the COPY is just as "valid" as the original, but this is not the point.....why not just release the original?
Why all this trouble? What is the friggin big deal?
THAT'S what we worry about. That is what makes us furious.
WHAT IS HE TRYING TO HIDE? LIke I said, it is not just an issue of what he has released as valid or not, why is he hiding the original BC, with such vigor and determination?
Until you answer that, you are just as guilty of violating our beloved Constituion as this fraud Obama.
To SavageMonkey,
Actually 'Innocent until Proven Guilty' only applies to criminal prosecution.
This is not the case here.
The Constitution specifically states that the requirement to hold the office of the President of United States of America are:
Natural Born Citizen,
35 years old,
14 years of residency in US.
Obama is seeking to hold this office. He is not charged with a crime.
What we want is proof positive that he meets the qualifications specifically spelled out in the Constitution.
Therefore, the burden is on Obama to show that he meets those qualifications.
Let me give you and example.
You go to the Welfare office, and want welfare. They just don't hand you money. No, you have to prove you are qualified and in need. The burden is on YOU because you're the one seeking a benefit.
To Middle class guy',
First of all, Obama and his campaign have stated that Obama did travel to Pakistan in 1981 for a period of about 3 weeks.
The significance of this little fact is that Pakistan was off-limits to US citizens.
If Obama used a US passport, then, upon his return, he would have been flagged and questioned by the authorities at the borders.
However, if he used an Indonesian passport, at a time Indonesia did not permit Dual Citizenship, then, requesting such a passport and using it, would mean that he made allegiance to Indonesia and forsaken any ties to US.
AS AN ADULT.
And this is a very big problem for Obama. No more he was a child being dragged around by his parents excuse.
As to anonymous on November 7, 30008 6:59 PM,
'The certificate fo live birth, which is a prima facie document, has been confirmed as legitimate by the State of Hawai'i'
Means, that the state official confirms that the REGISTRATION of his birth is authentic.
Once the official signs a notorized statement, then, it would be acceptable that Obama's BIRTH REGISTRATION was indeed recorded in Hawaii.
However, it would NOT be proof that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen.
A Certificate of Natural Birth, COLB, is done AFTER birth.
A Birth Certificate states a lot more information and witness of the event, usually by medical officers and such.
Just stating that the COLB is authentic means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
For Obama to prove that he meets the requirements specified in the Constitution, he has to provide the VAULT BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
AND explain the trip to Pakistan in 1981 when he was 19-20, as an adult.
One little tidbit about this is, if Ann Dunham was 19 years old when she had Obama, then, regardless of where he was born, he would be considered natural born citizen with a COLB. However, she gave birth while she was only 18.
Time for some self-examination. After 30 years of our supply side/deregulation economic policy we can't point to a single economic indicator that has improved to support our theories. As for foreign policy we have squandered America's limited time in the sun- instead of making friends and setting an example for others to follow we have been creating enemies faster than we can kill them. At what point do we get honest about this?
Why did John McCain have to prove his natural born citizenship and not Barrak Obama? Is he above the Constitution? I would have thought the man who served our country and was a POW wouldn't have been challenged guess I was wrong! History will have this election as the biggest payoff ever to get someone in office IMO.
Hello Jeff,
What about the Michelle Obama tape by API? Did they manage to have it broadcast in one TV channel (Fox or else)?
According to what you say, Obama and his gang do not have to give a reply to the Supreme Court!! If it is the case, then I am pretty sure they will NOT give a reply!! Hard to believe!
Re: “The quick and easy solution to this problem: get a relative of Obama's (like the illegal aunt before she's deported), give them a TON OF MONEY, fly them to Hawaii, take them to get a copy of his vault birth certificate, then send them off on a nice Hawaiian while you return back to the continental US with the vault birth certificate. Scan it and put it online, fax it to every single Electoral College Elector, get yourself a security team and put the paper copy in the hands of those who need to see it -- I would think the Chief Justice might be interested. If the birth certificate says what people suspect, then problem solved.”
This assumes that the original birth certificate shows that Obama was not born in Hawaii. The certification of live birth proves that there is an original birth certificate in the files and that it shows that he was born in Hawaii.
However, there is an even easier solution to the problem: get anyone (best would be a trained investigator or lawyer), give him or her sufficient money for expenses; fly her to Kenya; have her go to the public records files or to the national archives or both; have her look at the records of arrivals in Kenya in the year 1961. IF there is a record that Obama’s mother was in Kenya in that year, you have a case. Otherwise: you are dreaming.
Re: “As for the birth certificate issue. No official has asked for it that I know of. The "authentication" done by Hawaii "officials" did not state what was on the birth certificate, nor was an affidavit offered stating that the data on the alleged official certificate was identical to the one posted on the web.
No such proof has been offered. All statements by Obama and other officials have skated around the truth, offering essentially smoke and mirrors, not direct confirmation of the web-posted data by any means. All Hawaii did was confirm that a "birth certificate" exists. The existence of a birth certificate does not confirm eligibility for president of the United States.
Certainly, someone who feels they have to hide whatever it is that may be on their birth certificate who runs for the president of the united states, has got to be seriously out of touch with reality. Hiding personal truth, no matter what it is, is not a characteristic I want in my president.... really, come on...”
Precisely. No one has asked for it. That’s because the certification of real birth is perfectly adequate. The certification proves that the birth certificate exists in the files. The existence of a birth certificate in the files does not prove that Obama was born in Hawaii, to be sure. But the officials, and the certification of real birth both say that the birth certificate was of a birth in Hawaii. And the Virginia court accepted the certification as authentic and valid proof.
Moreover, let me point out the obvious. There is no evidence that Obama was born anywhere other than in Hawaii.
Re: “. Hiding personal truth, no matter what it is, is not a characteristic I want in my president.”
I’m not sure that you can prove that Obama is hiding anything. Some cases were brought asking for him to show his birth certificate. Most were dismissed for lack of standing. One that I know of (the Virginia case) said that his certification of live birth was adequate to show his birth in Hawaii. This does not show that he was hiding anything. It merely shows that he thought that the certification was adequate, and it was. If any court had asked for the actual birth certificate, he would have produced it. Look again at the Virginia case. It says clearly that the certification has a line on it referring to “place of birth” and that is filled in as Hawaii.
Now that Obama has won the election, just because a few bloggers would like to see his original birth certificate, it does not seem a pressing issue. He’s got the economy to worry about now.
As for hiding personal truth. This is a guy who has admitted doing drugs. Most of our previous presidents try to hide things like that.
People, please, stop morphing the apple into an orange.
If Hawaii official confirms that a COLB exists, it only means that the original Certification of Live Birth exists.
All that means is that Ann Dunham did go to the proper agency and Registered the birth of her baby, Obama.
NOTHING ELSE.
This DOES NOT prove that Obama is a natural born citizen. Only that his birth was registered.
It's apples and oranges.
One does not equal the other at all.
The proof that Obama is a natural born citizen would only come from a Vault Birth Certificate. Which would have a lot more information, especially the witnessing of the birth and so forth.
Furthermore, Obama's travel to Pakistan in 1981 is very problematic. He would be above the age of 18, therefore and adult, and going to a country off-limits to US citizens is problematic in terms of rational explanation.
What Passport from which country did he use?
What did he have to do in order to obtain such a passport?
Interesting questions that would be hard to answer logically.
Jeff, you said.....
"Unfortunately, as the Court doesn't like to get involved in political questions such as this, as the Court would be hesitant under any circumstances to countermand the will of 63 million Americans (give or take a few hundred thousand for ACORN), I don't think it will happen.}
It seems to me that this is not a political question, but definitely a constitutional one. Is that not what the Supreme Court's job is, upholding the Constitution of the United States and settling any questions pertaining to it?
Folks, the fat lady has not sung yet. The electoral votes will not be officially counted until Jan. 6th. In the meantime, everyone needs to send a certified letter to all their congresspeople and demand that they uphold their oath of office that each one of them recited when they took office. They were not just "words".
Charge them to protect and defend the Constitution as they swore to do by requiring Obama to produce proof of his eligibility under the II Amendment, before they can award the votes to him. The preamble of the Constitution gives the American people the right to ask this of their elected representatives. "We the people" wrote it, therefore "We the people" have the right to enforce it's requirements. Remind them also that this same thing was required of Mr. McCain and they themselves passed a resolution in regards to it. Precedence has been set by them to do this. Do not forget to remind them that you vote, your friends vote and your family votes.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Are there not forces in this world which possess the ability to tell a man who has no living immediate family members older than himself where he was born?
The Emanuel appointment is puzzling, given Obama's pre-election opposition to the war in Iraq (not to mention the mortgage crisis). It came in less than 48 hours, I wonder if Mr. Berg was surprised.
Whatever is going on with the birth certificate, be it genuine or falsified, Obama's negligence to successfully put it to rest has empowered those who would like to be in control of Obama. For that reason, Obama's trip to Hawaii with his lawyer probably included a visit to the hospital and a glance or two at the official or now officialized birth certificate. Following this trip, the Hawaiian press accepted the suddenly announced opinion of an employee as an official verdict. They then ran a story that the original and the purported copy were a match. Dumbed down media? That dumb??
I remain concerned and skeptical of all opinions and even the rulings. There is just too much room for political manipulation.
I don't trust him; I really don't think I ever will. The writers of the Constitution were very specific about who could become POTUS. They did this so whomever was to run for President would have allegiance to our country; someone who could defend our country and be on the side of the American people. The very fact that Kenya proclaimed a holiday/day off in honor of Kenya’s “native son” shows me where his allegiance may lie. Look, I don’t want a constitutional crisis anymore than I want to deal with a war, but, unfortunately, we sometimes have no choice. Because what’s the point of “defending the constitution” if we really don’t defend the constitution, it would be just another useless piece of paper.
Our principles should not stem from our policies, rather our policies should stem from our principles. Politicians are only a reflection of the people that they represent. Until we are willing to demand excellence from our leaders, we will never have any real change in this country.
See how corrupt Obama really is:
http://www.gopmom.com/2008/10/clever-real-estate-strategies-for-politicians/
As others have done and then passed the torch along, I have sent 3 eMail letters to my Florida Congressional representatives, which said:
Dear Senator Martinez,
Dear Senator Nelson,
Dear Representative Klein;
I expect that you, OUR elected representatives, both in the Senate and the House, will stand up for the Constitution of the United States!
Demand that Senator Obama reveal his original 1961 type or hand written birth certicate to show that he is in fact a 'natural born citizen' ...
Otherwise, shame on you if you don't send him back where he came from!!!
We'll be watching and praying that you have the fortitude to carry out your sworn duty to uphold and defend the Constitution of the and OUR United States of America.
You can do the same ... I encourage you to do so ... it's very easy and it's FREE (unless you opt to send a special delivery personal mail message for $3/letter).
Anyway, here's the free eMail to let your Senators and Representative know that you're watching and expect them to do the right thing!
http://www.rallycongress.com/letter2congress/698/send-email-to-congress/
27 thousand+ eMails already sent ... steal, copy & paste the text or compose your own ... it'll make you feel better!
It's NOT too late,
Richard Lawrence
I thought that all questions that fall under the Constitution have standing with the Supreme Court and they must hear them.
Furthermore, Obama's travel to Pakistan in 1981 is very problematic.
From: "Obama Timeline"
http://colony14.net/id41.html
In 1981, Obama visits his mother and half-sister in Indonesia, and then continues on for three weeks to Karachi, Pakistan and Hyderabad, India, with his friends Chandoo and Hamid, and finally to Kenya to visit his father’s family. [23,25,26,194,195,196,245]
One of Obama’s hosts in Pakistan is Muhammadian Mian Soomro, Obama’s senior by 11 years, son of a Pakistani politician and himself a politician, who later becomes interim President of Pakistan when Pervez Musharraf resigns in August of 2008. Soomro states that “someone” personally requested that he “watch over” Barack Obama, but Soomro will not name that individual - who today allegedly lives in South America. [24]
It is unknown who financed Obama’s costly 1981 trip.
Note that a trip to Pakistan in 1981 was not possible for Americans, except for those who were on official government business, because it was on the list of dangerous nations banned by the State Department for U.S. travelers. Pakistan was also under martial law at that time. It is possible that Obama was able to enter Pakistan on an Indonesian passport, but he would have had that document only if he was an Indonesian citizen; if he had become an Indonesian citizen, he was no longer an American citizen and his use of an American passport would have been illegal. Pakistan, being almost 100 per cent Muslim, would have welcomed foreign Muslim visitors in 1981. The U.S. State Department would not have known Obama was in Pakistan had he traveled on an Indonesian passport.
Obama’s school records from Occidental College have been kept secret. This may simply be to hide poor grades. It is also possible that those records list Obama as an Indonesian, and not an American, citizen. [259,380]
Hee, hee! Great crackpot stuff, Jeff.
I love how you capitalize "Republican Party", but can't bring yourself to capitalize "democrats". Truly great stuff. Have you contacted Karl Rove for a job? He needs some of that insane, ideological help for more dirty tricks.
Is it true that there will be a march on Washington, DC on Novemmber 29, 2008 to stop obama to become the next president?
Hi Jeff,
I understand Berg is involved in gathering evidence to present to the electoral college. I'll past the article below. Question: Where can one find contact info for the electoral college voters?
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COMRADE BARAK OBAMA IS NOT AMERICA'S NEXT PRESIDENT
By: Devvy
November 6, 2008
© 2008 - NewsWithViews.com
"There is still the unresolved issue of Obama providing a COLB - Certification of Live Birth - to prove he is a natural born citizen. Not a "birth certificate," but the COLB. The fact that this thug from Chicago refuses to provide this document since June, 2008, says it all. The second issue is if Obama were born in the U.S., but was automatically made an Indonesian citizen by virtue of his mother's marriage to her Indonesian husband and Obama's legal name change, he is ineligible to run for the presidency. Naturalized citizens are not eligible for the highest office in the land.
Contrary to the propaganda spewed last night by the pimps who work for corporate media, Obama is not the next president.
Phil Berg is putting together the strategy for the electoral college delegates for all the states Obama allegedly won. This involves action before and on December 15, 2008, the date all electors meet at their state capitols to cast their votes for president and vice president. Remember: They are not bound to cast their vote for the candidate presented as a result of 'election day.' Electors who stand up for what is right are called "faithless." Does it ever happen? In 1976, a Republican elector in Washington voted for Ronald Reagan instead of Gerald Ford. This year we intend for it to be a landslide. What's right and for the good of our republic must trump worrying about staying in the good graces of some political party. Obama is gambling he can stall the birth certificate issue until coronation day and steal the White House under the idiom, possession is nine tenths of the law. We intend to stop him legally.
As soon as Phil has drafted his plan, I will get it into a column right away. I believe there are some other groups working on this issue and I hope they will join with Phil and let him be the central point of contact for this effort. That way we're all on the same sheet of music and it's done correctly. We will not get a second chance.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd411.htm
Actually, chief, you'll see that I capitalize Democratic Party and keep "democrats" lowercase, while I capitalize Republican Party and keep "republicans" lowercase. Last time I checked, that's how it's supposed to be in the Associated Press style manual.
Even if I'm wrong on the AP style, I'm fair to both sides.
You, however, seem to be putting the capital "M" in Moron. Be happy, friend ... your guy won.
-- Jeff
We got volunteers for 32 out of 50 states. Still needs lots of help.
Go to www.americamustknow.com to get a run down or go to democratic-disaster.com and join in.
Is it possible that there is an airline passenger list available which might verify that a passenger named Ann Dunham borded a flight en route to the USA, on or about the time of Obama's birth in 1961? Are passenger lists expunged after so many years? If you were flying from Kenya to the USA in 1961, which airline would have been available for you to use. I can't imagine there were many flights outbound to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Was it even possible to fly direct to the USA from Kenya in 1961? If there is a passenger list of an outbound flight with the name of Ann Dunham it might also indicate 'with infant'. This would require an intensive investigation and I doubt the Kenyan Gov. would be coorperative. Does anyone have any thoughts or ideas about this?
I have had a doubt about him for a while now. I so want to give him the benefit of the doubt but never in any election I've participated, have there been a candidate so radical. I am beside myself when I try to inform friends who have no clue as to his associations - which he chooses closely, according to his book. I cannot believe America elected an extreme left-wing radical because they fell for the HOPE and CHANGE mantra. I fear for this change. I fear that our freedoms of speach and liberty are eroded. I think, no I know, that America is a narcacistic, self-gratifiying, spoiled nation that they are more concerned and aware of what Brad and Angelina are doing than what is behind Obama and his carefully chosen associations.
I want the best for our nation - I hope he succeeds because if he succeeeds, we all succeeds. Time will tell.
jeff schrieber wrote:
Actually, chief, you'll see that I capitalize Democratic Party and keep "democrats" lowercase, while I capitalize Republican Party and keep "republicans" lowercase. Last time I checked, that's how it's supposed to be in the Associated Press style manual.
From my 1984 copy of The Associated Press Stylebook and Libel Manual:
Capitalize both the name of the party and the word party if it is customarily used as the part of the organization's proper name: the Democratic Party, the Republican Party.
Capitalize Communist, Conservative, Democrat, Liberal, Republican, Socialist, etc., when they refer to the activities of a specific party or to individuals who are members of it. Lowercase these words when they refer to political philosophy (see examples below).
Lowercase the name of a philosophy in noun and adjective forms unless it is the derivative of a proper name: communism, communist; fascism, fascist. But: Marxism, Marxist; Nazism, Nazi.
EXAMPLES: John Adams was a Federalist, but a man who subscribed to his philosophy today would be described as a federalist. The liberal Republican senator and his Conservative Party colleagues said they believe that democracy and communism are incompatable. The Communist said he is basically a socialist who has reservatoins about Marxism.
I didn't post this to be critical. Just for your own edification, since I had the Stylebook on the shelf here.
Even if I'm wrong on the AP style, I'm fair to both sides.
Well, unlike a number of other places I could name, you've allowed me to post my comments here, even when they were critical of yours.
Seems pretty fair to me.
And something for which you have my respect and gratitude.
k
Signed (with my full name, address under letters) the Petition to Congress
"Stop the Obama Constitutional Crisis" 83,346 Letters (delivered to your Congressmen and Senators) and Emails Sent So Far:
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/stop-obama-constitutional-crisis/
Please use this way and also
www.democratic-disaster.com
www.americamustknow.com
Koyaan,
Thanks. It's been ten years since I took Journalism 101 and, while I have not one but THREE copies of the Stylebook and Libel manual at home and one more at work (I keep losing them, then finding them), I've been meaning to look up that stuff but just was too darned lazy to do so.
Sweet. Thank you.
Jeff
Jeff,
Other sites have stated that the judge ordered Barack to provide him a copy of the vault sealed original birth certificate, and that is the response we are waiting for, due December 1st.
Do you know if this is correct?
Glenn Flowers
Glenn Flowers wrote:
Other sites have stated that the judge ordered Barack to provide him a copy of the vault sealed original birth certificate, and that is the response we are waiting for, due December 1st.
That's absolute nonsense.
Aren't you getting just a little bit tired of people feeding you bullshit?
k
jeff schrieber wrote:
Sweet. Thank you.
You're welcome.
It came to me by way of my late father having taken Journalism 101 when he took advantage of the GI Bill and went to college after his retirement.
I found it to be an excellent reference so I've always kept it handy.
k
I'm not a lawyer, however, from what I understand is the Justice Souter has ruled for a response to Mr. Berg's filling.
Which means, as far as I can tell, that Obama must file a response to the filling by Mr. Berg.
For example, Obama could say, 'There's nothing wrong with Judge Surrick's ruling of the Mr. Berg's lawsuit filed in Philadelphia.'
With some attachments of previous rulings dealing with the same type of subject.
That is all that is required. At which time, Mr. Berg will respond with arguments that the case being dismissed on the ground that Mr. Berg has no standings is preposterous. If a US Citizen doesn't have standing to request the qualification of a person attempting to ascend to the Presidency of US, then, who would have standing? The Constitution spells out specifically what the qualifications are. Therefore, the onus is on Mr. Obama because he is the seeking the office.'
At which time, Justice Souter may elect to do many a different things. Jeff can explain this better.
However, the Dec. 1 deadline is for Obama to respond to Mr. Berg's filing, only. Not to produce any documentation.
"The Constitution is a written instrument. As such its meaning does not alter. That which is meant when adopted, it means now."
South Carolina v. United States, 26US Supreme Court 110, 111 (1905).
Koyaan said:
"That's absolute nonsense.
Aren't you getting just a little bit tired of people feeding you bullshit?
k"
Who asked you? I asked Jeff because he usually has the most correct info. I know nothing about you. That's why I didn't address my question to you.
Glenn Flowers
I believe the whole issue is moot. President Elect Obama is already receiving highly classified briefings; he and the transition team allegedly had investigations for clearances started in August.
I do wish the case would proceed and force the release of authentic proof of citizenship! After the investigation I had to go through for a clearance it makes me angry to think of the lack of investigation these people probably went through.
Thank you Jeff for your time, effort, diligence...and guts for that matter. In my humble opinion you are a far greater being than any of these Brokaws, Jennings, Matthews or any other high profile media people who have, without a doubt, sold their integrity for some unknown price. I recogize, honor and appreciate you. Do not stop telling this story. Eventually, the people of this country will hear it, and our true metal will show for the entire world to look upon. Do not stop telling this story.
OUCH!
Andy Martin body slams Phil Berg!
The strange behavior of Philadelphia lawyer Philip J. Berg
k
It is most disturbing that the DOJ is even considering not responding. . .you do understand what that means, I hope. Since no sane attorney (or defendant) would risk, even at 5% odds, not responding, one can only assume there are unauthorized ex parte communications going on between the USSC and DOJ…Mr Berg must be a part of any such communications….if not they are prohibited….the case is not heard behind closed doors with only one party. Berg should file a FOIA request for all communications with the USSC. See below website:
http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/11/13/berg-vs-obama-update-and-current-status/
Warren Throckmorton called the Office of the Solicitor General to ask if a response was planned by December 1. Evan Peterson emailed the following statement. So Mr. Berg’s odds don’t look good and it is unclear if the Solicitor General will get involved.
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Under the Supreme Court rules, the government has until Dec. 1 to respond to the petition for certiorari. No decision has been made as to whether or when the government will file a response.
Evan Peterson
U.S. Department of Justice
Office of Public Affairs
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I am in full agreement. We the People have the right to know whether or not Sen Obama is an American citizen. Posting a birth certificate on a website, is not enough. Ever heard of PHOTOSHOP?
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