Friday, October 24, 2008

Two Articles, Two Sides of Berg v. Obama


After two months, news of Philip Berg's federal lawsuit is finally gaining traction. Pieces are popping up on local television stations from Florida to Alaska. The Internet buzz has reached more mainstream Web sites such as Newsmax and WorldNetDaily. Articles are popping up in big and small newspapers from coast to coast. Even Rush Limbaugh mentioned the case on his Thursday afternoon program, and Michael Savage did a surprising long interview with Berg later that evening.

"I was told that I would be doing a ten-minute segment," Berg told me on the telephone this evening. "The next thing I knew, it had been almost an hour."

Two recent articles in particular, however, caught my eye. The difference between them is stark, and could be a microcosm of the outcome of the case. The first one, for example, talks more about the evidence side of the action, about whether or not Barack Obama truly is eligible to be president of the United States; the second one talks more about the procedural angle, about whether or not Philip Berg has standing to sue.

In my opinion, the result of this action on the District Court level will depend upon whether the Hon. R. Barclay Surrick is more interested in the underlying eligibility questions, or in the satisfaction of the requirements necessary to raise them.

The first piece is by Kenneth Timmerman of Newsmax, the same reporter who, just a few days ago, wrote so well about the questionable $63 million in Barack Obama's campaign coffers. He goes into detail about Obama's birth certificate, even providing a link to the Certificate of Live Birth provided by the Illinois senator, and an official Certificate of Live Birth from a person born just two years later. Reproduction issues aside, one quite obviously provides more information than the other.

Timmerman also raises an interesting point by highlighting a segment from one of Obama's memoirs in which he actually mentions the document:

Ironically, Obama mentions his birth certificate in passing on Page 26 of his 1995 memoir, “Dreams of My Father.” “I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school,” he wrote.

As much as I am a skeptic as to all of this business--I've said time and time again that I simply feel as though we are constitutionally obligated to ensure that our leaders are properly vetted--this, to me, presents a question as to why it was necessary for Obama to provide an obviously laser-printed, recent copy of his birth records in the first place. If he had his original, tucked in among articles and old vaccination forms, why not just provide that one?

The second article ran on a Web blog entitled The Daily Jot, a nicely-written resource with which I am just now becoming familiar. This one highlighted the argument made by attorneys for Barack Obama and the DNC that, indeed, voters have no constitutional right to challenge the eligibility of the presidential candidates.

While I don't much like it, as the law stands right now the lawyers are technically right. Just as you or I could not have standing to sue the federal government simply because we are taxpayers, voters cannot sue simply because they are voters. Time and time again, on these pages, I've said that the standing doctrine weighs heavily against Philip Berg's cause. Just a few days ago, in fact, I wrote that common sense dictates that the suit be tossed on grounds of lack of standing -- though I specifically said that some unexplainable tremor in my gut told me that Judge Surrick could surprise us all and rewrite voter standing as we know it. Law texts, after all, wouldn't be so thick if the law never changed.

That's why these two articles caught my eye. On one hand, the nature of the evidence, albeit circumstantial, makes me wonder if we might just be surprised by Judge Surrick's willingness to expand upon the standing doctrine and redefine injury a little bit. On the other hand, the law as it stands now says that Monday [hopefully, it's Monday and no later] will likely be a gloomy one for those interested in standing up for constitutional principles valued by our nation's framers.

At the end of the day, it's going to be one or the other -- faith in the convincing nature of circumstantial evidence, or devotion to the procedure and the letter of the law.

Gut versus common sense. We'll see.

EIther way, I'm back in town. Typically near a computer. Keep checking at America's Right for updates.

92 comments:

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 3:54 AM  

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html


true??

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 4:01 AM  

Jeff, Can you confirm this report on the Greene County Dailies
Obama’s Campaign Ends?

http://www.xeniagazette.com/main.asp?SectionID=17&SubSectionID=452&ArticleID=161386&TM=13609.06

and article on
http://www.dailyjot.com/

It is 3 AM and I need to pour myself a drink just to excited can not get to sleep

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 4:16 AM  

What's the word of the Michelle Obama tapes? There is only a week left before the election.

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 4:21 AM  

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/elections/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

Apparently the judge dismissed the lawsuit :( is that correct?
There are similat lawsuits in other states, let's hope the judges act differently.

God Help America!

richard October 25, 2008 4:31 AM  

I'm not a particularly religious person, but at the moment, I'm praying that Judge Surrick does the right thing for the country. Letting Barky off the hook right now would seem just a tad unjust.

richard October 25, 2008 4:43 AM  

According to the Philadelphia Daily News, Berg v. Obama is over. We lost. It has been dismissed based upon lack of standing. The article can be found here:

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

I feel like throwing up. Can nothing stop this Manchurian candidate?

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 4:53 AM  

Jeff,

Nice summary of the two sides of the argument. Standing is an interesting issue here. If Berg does not have standing to challenge whether a candidate meets the Constitutional requirements for president, then who does? Should he lose the election, I guess John McCain would be a good candidate, since his injury would be not becoming president.

According to the Philadelphia Daily News, Surrick has thrown out Berg's lawsuit due to lack of standing.

So now Berg can start the appeals process. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe lower courts are given no deference on issues of law.

Should appeals fail, would John McCain have the cajones to file suit himself? When it comes to fighting the opposition, he seems to lack fire in the belly.

Philip May

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 5:06 AM  

BREAKING:

Judge Surrick rejects Berg because his claims were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

I'm going to be sick

American Daughter October 25, 2008 5:10 AM  

UPDATE, Saturday, October 25 4AM EST — Philadelphia Daily News reports:

"Judge rejects Montco lawyer’s bid to have Obama removed from ballot

A federal judge in Philadelphia last night threw out a complaint by a Montgomery County lawyer who claimed that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was not qualified to be president and that his name should be removed from the Nov. 4 ballot.

Philip J. Berg alleged in a complaint filed in federal district court on Aug. 21 against Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya.

Berg claimed that the Democratic presidential standardbearer is not even an American citizen but a citizen of Indonesia and therefore ineligible to be president….

In a 34-page memorandum and opinion, the judge said Berg’s allegations of harm were “too vague and too attenuated” to confer standing on him or any other voters…."

Article is here.

Über October 25, 2008 5:11 AM  

We have our answer.

I'll be anxious to see what Berg's next move is now.

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 5:14 AM  

First post, just wanted to say thanks for keeping people updated as best as possible. According to this: http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

The judge has decided against Berg, just trying to verify, and if so what do you feel his next move is? Thanks for your time.

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 5:29 AM  

I like your article it provides great information. When I first heard about this I was stunned....but after reading your article it all makes sense. In my opinion I think Obama is a fraud, if he had to lie to all of his faithful voters and tell everyone that he is a legitimate citizen than he is a phony. The evidence should be enough and I hope that Judge Surrick will realize that he should go against the law, modify it, and take in the corrupt person in Obama. I hope that the voters of the U.S. will realize that he is lying and what good would it do for us to have yet another president that lies. Anyway thanks for the information and I will definitely be checking in for updates.

Lumo October 25, 2008 5:33 AM  

Unfortunately or fortunately, Surrick just decided that Berg had no standing: Philadephia Daily News.

He claimed that voters are just crap who has no right to demand the constitution to be followed. Ony Oh bama could be damaged by any of these things so only he has the right to decide whether the constitution is enforced.

Welcome among banana republics, the U.S.

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 5:51 AM  

Is this the end, fork.

The Obots have been spreading around.
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 6:02 AM  

was there a ruling? i found two conflicting news articles.

http://xeniagazette.1upmonitor.com/main.asp?SectionID=17&SubSectionID=452&ArticleID=161386&TM=85035.18

Obama’s Campaign Ends?

By DANIEL DOWNS

After reviewing evidence presented by Attorney Philip Berg, US District Court Judge Honorable R. Barry Surrick has ruled that Barack Hussein Obama was not a "natural born" or "naturalized" citizen and is ineligible to run for and/or serve as President of the United States.

Judge Surrick then ordered the Democratic National Committee to cease all campaign activity on behalf of their candidate for President. He further ordered Obama be removed from all election ballots.

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

Judge rejects Montco lawyer's bid to have Obama removed from ballot

A federal judge in Philadelphia last night threw out a complaint by a Montgomery County lawyer who claimed that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was not qualified to be president and that his name should be removed from the Nov. 4 ballot.

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 6:02 AM  

RULED AGAINST BERG!!!!!!!!

Alex,  October 25, 2008 6:19 AM  

Thanks Jeff,

My question from day one has been: IF a voter doesn't have the ability to challenge the eligability of a candidate, who does? SOMEONE must have the responsibility of verifying a candidate.

The FEC is suggesting that is isn't their job. So...whose job is it and who can sue them to provide proof that they did their job?
Alex

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 6:51 AM  

Hello Jeff,

Thanks for covering this vital case. You are the only site I found to get regular news on this case.

It would be sad really if a runner for the PotUSA position could not be fully vetted for its eligibility. It is my hope that the judge will make sure that the Constitution of the USA is followed to the letter and, for this reason alone, I believe in hope.
If I was wrong, we could ask ourselves what kind of judicial system have we created in the USA that does not allow the eligibility of a candidate to be fully checked and to insure that the candidate meets all the requirements to run for PotUSA!!!

I was disappointed by this other delay but will wait and see what goes on on Monday.

I also checked the API site and still no tape of Michelle Obama!!! On this one, you are probably right even though I still hope too!! It is hard to believe that these API people have made the statements they made concerning the availability of the tape soon and still produce NOTHING!!!

Let us hope that true justice will come on Monday and that means asking Obama to provide the documents to prove his eligibility within 3 days. If not, again it would be a sad day for the USA and its judicial system!!

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 6:52 AM  

Someone please explain, who would have standing?

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 7:03 AM  

It's over

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

I guess our phone drive didn't work, eh? We only got a few thousand people to call the court house and give this site as reference

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 7:25 AM  

How is it possible that our Constitution that has governed us well for over 200 years is being ignored on this point? If an American Citizen can not raise the issue and ask the question and have proof shown of an original birth certificate, then who can? Who should be asking for the proof that isn't? This makes no sense to me!!

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 7:41 AM  

Hi Jeff, As i understand what you are saying, i am still feeling rather dismayed at the whole thing. If the people do not have the right to make a public servant follow the constitution then who does? Myself being an american born, law abiding citizen should have the right to question whether a man or woman running for the Presidency be legit. With what you are saying how the courts look at it, it is like slapping me in the face saying that i don't matter and that offends me. Thank you, Annie

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 7:47 AM  

What of the report here that Berg's case was dismissed some time yesterday? Texasdarlin buys it. Something's not right, but what's this 34-page ruling they are supposedly quoting?

Mystery Writer October 25, 2008 8:00 AM  

Hey Jeff,
Thanks for keeping us informed. Did you happen to notice the links to the filings on Pacer have been removed? Any comment on that? Could it be that Judge Surrick is about to rule and issue a protective order?

Regarding the outcome. . . I suspect you're correct that the lack of standing is the biggest hurdle. However, if that were the case, surely Judge Surrick's ruling would be quick. In addition, Mr. Berg is filing, not only as a citizen voter but also as an officer of the court, with a sworn duty to uphold the constitution. Would this provide additional standing?

Anyone interested in examining a side-by-side comparison of the two "certified" birth certificates of Senator Obama can view it here:
http://www.jenniferdevore.blogspot.com

I'm loathe to find myself entertaining a conspiracy but one thing just keeps nagging at me. . . why not just show the documents and explain why they've changed? It is so easy to make go away - why not make it go away?

Kahleeka October 25, 2008 8:01 AM  

Can you please check the link for the second article "The Daily Jot." I seem to have difficulty signing in to access it. It accepts my login but only resets the login page repeatedly. I am unable to access this article. Thanks so very much!

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 8:03 AM  

Jeff,

Appears the suit was dismissed based on Berg not having adequate standing:

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

What's next?

St. Michael the Archangel October 25, 2008 8:04 AM  

I am very happy to see that the media is starting to notice this. As biased as everything has been since obama the Messiah came on board.. I think this could be the item that sinks his ship. In the end it will be the American ppl that will decide who will win, all we have to do is get them to understand what is at stake... to plant that seed of knowledge in their mind.

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 8:14 AM  

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 8:15 AM  

Does this new story mean that Surrick ruled last night??

If so -- it looks like he sided with Obama:
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html


So who would have legal standing to ask Obama to verify his citizenship?

Most jobs have some tests they require -- even WalMart requires a drug screening.

Are we saying that no one has the authority to check anything about a presidential nominee?

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 8:17 AM  

Is this true?

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 8:19 AM  

Jeff, Could Phil add the people that had their credit cards charged for donations to the Obama campaign with out the owners consent. Don't know but one would believe they may have standing. Thanks and great work!

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 8:23 AM  

Thank you Jeff.
In your oinion, If a voter doesn't have standing to sue, who has the standing to challenge this, and in what venue?
Welcome back.

Carrie October 25, 2008 8:30 AM  

I wish there was a way for the American people to put pressure on the Obama campaign to produce verifiable proof of citizenship. It's very frustrating to watch this man be so brazen about hiding his past when he's applying for a job in the highest office in the land.

And on top of that to not have the folks who should be assuring that his candidacy is legitimate concealing his credentials as well.

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 8:38 AM  

Jeff

If the voter alone cannot challange, then who is responsible for verifying these document to make sure the canidate is legal to run?

PS
Thanks for all your doing to help this matter

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 8:44 AM  

tossed out?

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

Akira October 25, 2008 8:50 AM  

Is this for real? Judge orders Obama to be removed from ballots?

Greene County Dailies, The Xenia Gazette, October 24 2008, 23:18

http://brianakira.wordpress.com/2008/10/25/is-this-for-real-judge-orders-obama-to-be-removed-from-ballots/

"US District Court Judge Honorable R. Barry Surrick has ruled that Barack Hussein Obama was not a "natural born" or "naturalized" citizen and is ineligible to run for and/or serve as President of the United States.

"Judge Surrick then ordered the Democratic National Committee to cease all campaign activity on behalf of their candidate for President. He further ordered Obama be removed from all election ballots."

Is this someone's idea of a joke?

Why is it only in a small-town paper?

It seems ridiculous.

Some guy at the paper went off his rocker?

Is it possible this wouldn't be plastered on media from coast to coast?


The Xenia Gazette

"Daily newspaper for Xenia, Fairborn and Beavercreek Greene County Dailies."

Phone: (937) 372-4444

tigereye313,  October 25, 2008 8:51 AM  

Who does have the ability to confirm eligibility? SCOTUS? Do they not have to prove this anywhere in the process?

I think McCain should produce his birth certificate publicly and personally ask that Obama do the same.

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 8:52 AM  

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html


Is this a correct?

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 8:53 AM  

I pray that the judge will decide on behalf of America. We do NOT need an Indonesian citizen being determined to be eligible to be our president. This is an extremely inportant election and we do not need to be hoodwinked by this poseur Obama, especially about something so basic as the legal qualifications for the highest office in our country.
Please stand up for America, Judge Surick.
Please uphold your true oath of office.

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 9:02 AM  

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 9:04 AM  

There would indeed be irony if the Federal Court decided to do anything other than dismiss the case. Might just teach those "Living Constitution" folks why strict construction is a good thing.

63640 October 25, 2008 9:08 AM  

Judge rejects Montco lawyer's bid to have Obama removed from ballot

By MICHAEL HINKELMAN
Philadelphia Daily News

hinkelm@phillynews.com 215-854-2656
A federal judge in Philadelphia last night threw out a complaint by a Montgomery County lawyer who claimed that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was not qualified to be president and that his name should be removed from the Nov. 4 ballot.

Philip J. Berg alleged in a complaint filed in federal district court on Aug. 21 against Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya.

Berg claimed that the Democratic presidential standardbearer is not even an American citizen but a citizen of Indonesia and therefore ineligible to be president.

He alleged that if Obama was permitted to run for president and subsequently found to be ineligible, he and other voters would be disenfranchised.

U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick had denied Berg's request for a temporary restraining order on Aug. 22 but had not ruled on the merits of the suit until yesterday.

Obama and the Democratic National Committee had asked Surrick to dismiss Berg's complaint in a court filing on Sept. 24.

They said that Berg's claims were "ridiculous" and "patently false," that Berg had "no standing" to challenge the qualifications of a candidate for president because he had not shown the requisite harm to himself.

Surrick agreed.

In a 34-page memorandum and opinion, the judge said Berg's allegations of harm were "too vague and too attenuated" to confer standing on him or any other voters.

Surrick ruled that Berg's attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."

The judge also said the harm Berg alleged did "not constitute an injury in fact" and Berg's arguments to the contrary "ventured into the unreasonable."

For example, Berg had claimed that Obama's nomination deprived citizens of voting for Sen. Hillary Clinton in November. (Berg backed Clinton in the primaries.)

Berg could not be reached for comment last night.

Obama was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, and the campaign posted a document issued by Hawaii on its Web site, fight thesmears.com, confirming his birth there.

Berg said in court papers that the image was a forgery.

The nonpartisan Web site FactCheck.org examined the original document and said it was legitimate.

Further, a birth announcement in the Aug. 13, 1961, Honolulu Advertiser listed Obama's birth there on Aug. 4. *


http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

Judge Surrick did not do America any favors!

WTF !!!!!,  October 25, 2008 9:08 AM  

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

claims the judge ruled fully against Berg. Jeff was there a ruling????

did we lose ????

WTF !!!!!

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 9:09 AM  

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

Does this have any value? It is posted on:

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 9:11 AM  

Berg case is thrown out.

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

Ken Follis

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 9:13 AM  

So who would have standing??

carlycanadian,  October 25, 2008 9:16 AM  

Judge rejects Berg Lawsuit

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

I hope Berg can appeal this, or has other options.

This only makes it more suspicious that Obama refuses to produce his Birth Cert.

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 9:20 AM  

I hope everything goes OK for all of us, if not "GOD HELP US ALL" Two brainless assholes would be in the White House and will kill us all.

Ralph

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 9:24 AM  

It looks like the case has been thrown out. Can you confirm?

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 9:25 AM  

I would like to know, if the judge does rule in our favor, what the next likely step is? An appeal? To whom? And in the meantime, what happens? I have some understanding of the law, but this is too big to guess at. Can you explain the "what-ifs" in English, to us? I think at the very least, if he rules our way, it will hit the media hard. Is that enough of an outcome while this thing gets wrapped up in appeals?

marinamama October 25, 2008 9:26 AM  

I'M SICK....IF THIS IS TRUE!

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

Where do we go from here?

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 9:27 AM  

News from Philly this a.m. reports that Berg lawsuit is thrown out. Say it ain't so that our laws allow anyone, regardless of background, to become president.

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

John Galt October 25, 2008 9:31 AM  

Jeff:

While interesting Judge Surrick will not want to start civil unrest and possibly even terrorist attacks on America by finding for Berg.

Just like Greenspan came out with his baloney about the failed market because he didn't want to sleep on the couch and Bernanke endorsed Obama becausse he wants to keep his job after Jan 2009 Surrick will not want to risk major civil unrest by finding in faovr of Berg.

A recent poll was taken in France on who the French favor in this election.

McCain got a resounding 1% yes 1% and Obama got most of the other 99%.

The whole world wants Obama especially the Muslim world.

There is no way that Surrick finds for Berg in such a way that would cause Obama to lose the election or later on be tossed if he wins on Nov 4th.

Are We Asking THAT Much?,  October 25, 2008 9:32 AM  

How interesting that Obama and the DNC tried to make the case go away with an argument that basically tries to use "the very strict letter of the law" on who is eligible to bring a claim.....and it might be their disrespect for "the very strict letter of the law" in the requirements of how and when they were required to respond to the court that ultimately leads to the case getting significantly more attention immediately before election day...if not the case getting an actual hearing.

Let's hope the Hon. R. Barclay Surrick puts ample weight on the risk to the respect for our Constitution. We're not asking for much from Obama. I had to prove my citizenship and eligibility to work in the United States when I started my job. Why on earth would the President of the United States not be held accountable to this same standard?

We shall see.

Here come 'da judge.....!

Lazman,  October 25, 2008 9:37 AM  

Has it been dismissed? Article says so:
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 9:39 AM  

Jeff

did the judge come down against us late last night. Justia has noting. Maybe Pacer has something.

Justia http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-paedce/case_no-2:2008cv04083/case_id-281573/

Philly news claims we lost.
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html?text=xlg&c=y

here is the start of the article. Looks super serious.

By MICHAEL HINKELMAN
Philadelphia Daily News

hinkelm@phillynews.com 215-854-2656

A federal judge in Philadelphia last night threw out a complaint by a Montgomery County lawyer who claimed that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was not qualified to be president and that his name should be removed from the Nov. 4 ballot.

I am hoping the Philly story is false. I need you as the only person who can let us all know the truth.

Thanks

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 9:41 AM  

I'm astounded at the thought that American's cannot require that Presidential candidate produce their certified birth certificate in order to prove they are eligible to be President of the US!

Why do the Patriot Laws, which require just that, in order to obtain something as insignificant as a replacement social security card so that my grandson could get his working papers! His last name had been changed so it matched his mother and step father's when she remarried when he was 7! We had his original birth certificate and the legal documents for his name change and STILL had to get the certified copy from the Courthouse! He wasn't even running for President!!!

I don't see why the same Law wouldn't pertain to a potential President candidate, especially when we have had experience with enemy "sleepers" in this country with 9/11. It should not be so easy for a complete unknown, like Obama, to just walk unencumbered into the Whitehouse in these days of grave danger to our people and our country!

Who is HE that we should not DARE to ask him for proof that he's eligible to be president, especially when there's so much evidence that he most likely is NOT eligible! I don't see why he would not be subject to the requirements of Patriot Laws just like my grandson was. Cough up the certified birth certificate or as far as we are concerned, you aren't able to because you AREN'T a US citizen and have no business in the Presidency, US Senate or the State Senate and have perpetrated a fraud on the people of this country and the State of Illinois!

Judge Surrick should immediately rule on this in Phillip Berg's favor and Order Obama and DNC to produce the certified copy of his birth certificate and answer his questions. If he doesn't and we find out after the GE and God forbid, he wins, it will be even worse and the Judge will be responsible. He can prevent a crisis in this country and an assault on the Constitution by just ruling that Obama has to produce what McCain was asked for and produced immediately!

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 9:49 AM  

Dave Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.

October 25, 2008 at 1:47 pm
JUDGE TOSSES OUT PHIL BERG LAWSUIT…”LACK OF STANDING”

http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2008/10/bergs-lawsuit-tossed-by-judge-for-lack.html

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 9:50 AM  

Is this reference (http://obambi.wordpress.com/2008/10/25/nobc/) calling out that the judge has denied Berg's suit true ???

Please say that it's not !!!

SteveT in WA,  October 25, 2008 9:52 AM  

Again Jeff, I greatly admire and appreciate your diligence on this issue, thank you for providing such insight. Perhaps you can help with a follow up question; if a voter can't challenge an election issue like this, who does have standing? Also, how would this relate to the case in Washington State, where the Secretary of State is being sued, not the candidate?

hokiedokie24 October 25, 2008 9:53 AM  

Jeff, someone posted that a Philly paper said the judge dismissed the case against Obama, is this true??

pj,  October 25, 2008 9:54 AM  

http://xeniagazette.1upmonitor.com/main.asp?SectionID=17&SubSectionID=452&ArticleID=161386&TM=85035

Says Berg won.

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 9:56 AM  

FYI there is breaking news at http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

"Judge rejects Montco lawyer's bid to have Obama removed from ballot
By MICHAEL HINKELMAN
Philadelphia Daily News

hinkelm@phillynews.com 215-854-2656

A federal judge in Philadelphia last night threw out a complaint by a Montgomery County lawyer who claimed that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was not qualified to be president and that his name should be removed from the Nov. 4 ballot."

The story goes on to say that the suit has been rejected because of lack of standing.

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 9:58 AM  

I have been unable to locate The Daily Jot article. The links don't take me to anything.

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 9:59 AM  

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html decision made yeaterday.in this ams newspaper

Thomas October 25, 2008 10:00 AM  

Judge dismissed lawsuit last evening.

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 10:01 AM  

I feel like throwing up. This makes me sad Jeff.

I guess my next question is...who has the right to find out if he qualified?
There must be a system of checks and balances. Are you saying that nobody has the right to make sure our constitutional qualifications for our nation's highest office are being upheld?

If this was the case, then Obama knew it and was laughing the whole time.

Before the judge dismisses this he should make sure there is some protocal in place to check his qualifications. If there is not, he needs to man-up and make a command decision in the country's best interest instead of protecting his own bacon. If he doesn't he is a traitor to the constitution.

Thanks for your work Jeff!

T. Jones

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 10:12 AM  

Jeff is this true?

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 10:13 AM  

Jeff is this true?


http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

Papa Ray October 25, 2008 10:13 AM  

The Judge dismissed the lawsuit yesterday (friday).

[URL="http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html"

What now...??

Papa Ray

Ian Thorpe October 25, 2008 10:14 AM  

Jeff,
From the perspective of 3000 miles I can understand why ordinary voters are not allowed to challenge candidates, it would be chaos for the courts to have to examine all the lawsuits filed by nutters claiming a candidate was inelegible because he was born a Klingon. However I still find it amazing that a lawyer would not hasve the necessary legal standing. Lawyers are reluctant to bring frivolous cases as pissing off Judges and Court Officers would in no way help their careeer.

I'm also very puzzled at how quiet and restrained The Rebublicans have been.

It reminds me of something HM The Queen said after the death of Princess Diana; "There are forces at work in this country of which we know nothing." Hmmmmm?

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 10:14 AM  

This is all well and good. I understand both sides, and suppose we should come down on rule of law side. What happens next ? When and under what conditions does this get addressed prior to either electors being selected in each state, or election taking place. Does the system allow for a candidate to receive votes BEFORE they were determined to be qualified ? I know that before I get to start a new job, they make sure your drug test is negative and your background is checked out. I can't imagine this to be the case. Why allow a person to get this far in the process, and the populace to become connected if the person is ineligible.

This has some scary legal potential for this country.

Berg is a fake,  October 25, 2008 10:17 AM  

berg lawsuit is over..... all this stuff from all these sites and berg and everyone is BS... dont waste your weekend reeading this stuff unless you ahve nothing better to do

Berg Ruling link:
http://snipurl.com/4or1r

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 10:21 AM  

The simple fact that he is not providing the B.C. should be a glaring sign of what type of President he would be. Secretive, legalistic and elitist. The MSM cried daily how the Bush White House was the most secretive, out of touch in history. Obama has already proven how he will govern. God help us all.

Are We Asking For THAT Much?,  October 25, 2008 10:21 AM  

The Philadelphia Daily News reported last night that Judge Surrick threw the case out in a 34-page memorandum.

Is this true?

If yes, what is Berg's next step (if any)?

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 10:29 AM  

argument made by attorneys for Barack Obama and the DNC that, indeed, voters have no constitutional right to challenge the eligibility of the presidential candidates

Then who has the right??? If no one has the right, some entity certainly has the responsibility to confirm eligibility. Federal and state employees all across our nation right now have to verify who they are with 2 forms of ID for HSPD-12. Other voters and groups frequently sue over various elements of the constitution and seem to get there day (religion, speech, etc.)

marinamama October 25, 2008 10:47 AM  

I am so disappointed over this but looking at the whole picture, I wonder if this isn't the best solution. Can you imagine the riots if we were able to have his name removed from the ballot. We would have deprived his followers of allowing their 'the one' to not even be voted on. If we can post everywhere and email everyone we know that McCain is by far the best answer, and if he wins by votes, there will probably not be as many riots/civil disturbances.

One side of me definitely wants his name off the ballot but I shudder to think what will result if that happens. At least if McCain wins fairly and Obama's name is on the ballot, I think there is less chance of riots/civil disturbances.

Just my humble opinion!

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 11:20 AM  

It is time for the people of this country to invade Washington, DC and take back the rights allowed them in the Constitution, even if this has to be done by force. It is evident that most of the Democrat party and some of the Republican party have become Communist and need to be either eliminated or replaced, with what ever means necessary, even a revolution.

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 11:47 AM  

This isn't the first time that Obama has challenged the "Letter of the Constitution" - and won.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/328968

The man obviously understands how to drive between the lines to get what he wants. What ever happened to the "Spirit of the Law"? I guess that's what appeals and the SCOTUS is for.

I'm disgusted at the current situation of events. For almost 30 years I've had to submit extremely detailed information to Federal authorities to maintain security clearances for PRIVILEGE to perform my job. The litany of things in Obama's past would have disqualified me on my first application with little to no recourse for appeal.

I suspect that Obama sees all these "technicalities" as minor annoyances to his RIGHT to be POTUS.

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 11:57 AM  

Don't people read the comments before they post?

We now know that almost all of the legal system is corrupt and the press is corrupt. We know the only way that Obama can bring people together is through fear of this corruption and its ramifications. We know Obama supporters are emotionally charged rather than logical. We know the country is moving toward a totalitarian system.

Our response should be to learn how people survived under communism in the Former Soviet Union. We need to learn from them what they did to keep themselves and their families safe in a corrupt system.

I think the first lesson is the same sane Chicagoans have learned. If you have any morals, do not have anything to do with the government. Do not go along with it. Do not fight it. Ignore it the best you can.

The political end of the New Age movement is now a huge steamroller and not enough people have cared enough to know what was going on and to fight it's development. Go to http://cumbey.blogspot.com/ to see what is happening behind the scenes. Constance Cumbey is a Detroit lawyer.

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 11:59 AM  

So the sacred Constitution is worth no more than toilet paper to the judge.

Oh well, I then have to flip to the other side - if Obama is elected then we will know that the Lord who has watched over America from inception is now acknowledging that the US has turned its back on Him too many times and now He is removing His hand of favor from us.

Hopefully it won't be long now until the rapture.

Greg Goss October 25, 2008 12:15 PM  

So it seems that in order to comply with Article II one must be honorable enough to just know that one complies. That is to say there is no enforcement clause therefore only the honor system is in place.

Only the honorable judge did not do the honorable thing. If BHO is sworn in then he is in violation of the constitution and should become the second president to be impeached.

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 2:06 PM  

The ruling is no surprise. The state court suits have a better chance of success. If suits are filed in all 50 states, all it takes is success in one state. (I am a California attorney.)

Terrenz Sword October 25, 2008 2:44 PM  

The REAL reason that this lawsuit has been dismissed is that it has now come out, through the British press, that Barak Obama is the candidate's ADOPTED father! His birth was illegitimate, and the wedding to Obama was an arraigned one. His real father is Frank Marshall Davis, Black Communist author, formerly of Chicago, who spent his last years in Hawaii. He became friends with Stanley Anne’s father, and had sex with her from the age of 14, as he wrote in a adult novel he published! Davis was The young Barry Soetero’s mentor, and who no doubt paid for his education, and was named only “Frank” in Obama’s book, “Memories of my Father” which was really about Mr. Davis, not Barak Obama, whom Barry never knew! So he WAS born in Hawaii, and was adopted TWICE. Still unclear is the Indonesian question, and his travels to Pakistan…a nuclear country he and Biden now want to invade!

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 3:45 PM  

I would like to know why the judge took 2 months to rule against Mr. Berg. He knew what his decision would be from the beginning. It's evident the judge is on the Obama side.

If Obama and the DNC could do this now, imagine when he is in the oval office.

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 4:12 PM  

in 1949 I was in first grade and my teacher said that America would move to Totalitarianism like Russia and that Russia would move toward a Democracy like America. All the students protested NEVER WOULD AMERICA MOVE TOWARD COMMUNISM. the teacher said we would. She said the people will demand a stronger government step by step until we were a totalitarian gov like USSR at the time.

I remember saying well maybe in 500 years but the teacher insisted it would happen much quicker.

I ask all loyal Americans are you ready now to become Marxist Communist or do you want to hold off the tide and demand we stay a free country for a longer time.

I am ready to fight for freedom although I am 65 years old today. But I now know what it means to be willing to die for my country.

"It is a good day to die." was the battle cry of the American Indians as they fought the white settlers taking over their land. I now agree.

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 6:06 PM  

Has anyone e mailed this judge yet

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 9:05 PM  

Since liberals seem to be more concerned about the life of a polar bear than the life of a viable fetus, can somebody PLEASE find a picture of Obama shooting a polar bear. Even the MSM can't ignore that.

Sorry. I know this is no time to joke but I have to somehow find some humor or I will go crazy. It's only the end of the world as we know it.

Anonymous,  October 25, 2008 11:16 PM  

It seems the only people with more power than the judicial system is the MSM.

They have the power to report this and insist he show it. They have the power to sway public opinion.

If this were McCain or Palin and they refused to show ANYTHING, they would report it, criticize it, and demand it. If not the consequences would be the daily attacks against them and the campaign wouldn't even be a contest.

Sean Hannity is right. Journalism has died.

Obama proganda is born.

Example. When asked about Ayers, ACORN, Rezko, etc. the answer is always 'people don't care about that, they care about the economy.' How many times have you heard that? I am sick and tired of being told what I want to know. How dare they speak for me! I do want them to answer questions about this. How do I know Journalism has died? Because for three days all they want to talk about is Palin's wardrobe.

Can someone please tell me how much Obama has spent on his suits? I thought I read somewhere that is is over a million dollars. If there were any true journalists in the MSM, this would be included with the story on Palin.

deadenders October 26, 2008 9:52 AM  

Jeff that image of the 63 CLOB is just as fake as Obama's. Hawaii didn't use that background image back then (No color). Look at the lines on the 63 CLOB the curve in the bottom left had side as if the doc was scanned out of a book. But the backgound image stays straight. PHOTOSHOP and not very good.

Anonymous,  November 4, 2008 1:41 PM  

Here is another of Obama terminological inexactitude ( to use Churchillian phrase!).

When the news of his aunt's illegal stay in country, living on welfare came out, he claimed he did not know anything about it. He is not being exactly honest about this matter.

His aunt did not sneak across the Mexican border. She came in on a valid tourist visa and just did not return to Kenya. For a Kenyan to get a US tourist visa, someone in the US should sponsor her. The sponsorship requires that the sponsor is responsible for ALL THE FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS OF THE TOURIST and is also responsible to ensure that the tourist returns to her native country BEFORE THE TOURIST VISA expires !!

Obama sponsored his aunt for a tourist visa twice, once in 1999 and again in 2004. Obviously she returned to Kenya after the first visit. In 2004 when she came on a sponsored tourist visa, she decided to stay back by applying for refugee status. The Immigration judge denied her plea. So it should have been Obama's responsibility per the sponsorship rules to pay for all her expenses while in the US and ensure that she returns back to Kenya.

How can he now claim that he had no idea she was still in this country?

I know these rules because I have personal experience.

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