Philip Berg Interview Hits YouTube
Yesterday, I spoke with Philip Berg about a number of issues, chief among them the progress in media attention, any possible ties with Obama Nation author Jerome Corsi, and his feelings on the lack of decision so far from the Hon. R. Barclay Surrick.
Berg mentioned that he had been on Independence Mall earlier shooting video and still photos, the former to advance his arguments via avenues such as YouTube, the latter to provide to television stations and the like who interview him via telephone and require some sort of visual.
In fact, just such a telephone interview will run on the local Fox News station in Toledo, Ohio on Monday at 4:00 and 10:00 p.m. newscasts. With any luck, Berg said, this will be among other local programming picked up by Fox News Channel in New York. While the local station in Toledo may not be doing a satellite interview now, he said, "if I win, it's going to be just about every satellite truck in the nation parked outside my office."
"And if I lose," Berg said, "I'll appeal and there will likely be satellite trucks out there anyway."
Word is indeed getting out, Berg said. He has received phone calls from the Associated Press, the Washington Post and more, all conveying that they'll likely do a story after Judge Surrick comes down with an order. Furthermore, Thursday brought five radio interviews, and yesterday six more. His Web site, Berg claims, has had more than 27.5 million hits -- including 1.6 million on Wednesday alone.
"People know about this case, regardless of attention from the media or lack thereof," Berg said. "30, 40 million people know about this, and more and more people know every day. Sooner or later, Obama is going to need to face reality."
I asked him as well about Jerome Corsi, the author of The Obama Nation who was just this week detained in Kenya as he attempted to hold a press conference detailing the relationship between the Illinois senator and Raila Odinga, the Kenyan prime minister who assumed power under a cloud of voter oppression and fraud. In his most recent pleading, Berg mentioned for the first time with specificity his belief that Barack Obama was born in Coast Hospital in Kenya, something which sounded awfully familiar and I think had been mentioned before by Corsi.
However, Berg maintains that he has had no contact with the controversial author, while the two did appear on the same Colorado radio station on Thursday, though an hour apart.
"He's got the information connecting Obama with Odinga, with the people who incited race riots and burned people alive. This whole thing is connected on some level with Obama," Berg said. "No, I haven't had personal contact with Corsi, but we do have something in common ... we both know Obama is a bad guy."
The Coast Hospital reference is in one of only six pending pleadings, not even counting the pair of motions filed by intervening parties. While my sources within the courthouse tell me that a decision could very well come down next week, many people feel that Judge Surrick is somehow stalling, or somehow kneeling to the altar of politics with regard to adjudicating this matter.
He is not.
These things take time, my friends. Judge Surrick is well within his discretion to take this amount of time -- and more. By all accounts, he is extremely deliberative, endlessly fair, and likes to do his own research and write his own opinions. Personally, I expect that when an order does come down, it will likely address each of the half-dozen outstanding pleadings. Of course, with Election Day looming, we'd all like to see this case resolved on this level one way or another. Berg would too.
"While of course I wish he would come down quicker on this matter," Berg said, "this is a very serious case and he is taking appropriate time to review it. He is a meticulous judge."
"Listen, this is in many ways a case of first impression. Nobody has asserted these claims on these grounds before," he said. "We're trying to make it so he has a difficult time ruling against us. No judge likes to be overturned. So, we're trying to give him as much as possible, countering generalities with specifics, crossing our fingers and hoping."
Berg mentioned that he had been on Independence Mall earlier shooting video and still photos, the former to advance his arguments via avenues such as YouTube, the latter to provide to television stations and the like who interview him via telephone and require some sort of visual.
In fact, just such a telephone interview will run on the local Fox News station in Toledo, Ohio on Monday at 4:00 and 10:00 p.m. newscasts. With any luck, Berg said, this will be among other local programming picked up by Fox News Channel in New York. While the local station in Toledo may not be doing a satellite interview now, he said, "if I win, it's going to be just about every satellite truck in the nation parked outside my office."
"And if I lose," Berg said, "I'll appeal and there will likely be satellite trucks out there anyway."
Word is indeed getting out, Berg said. He has received phone calls from the Associated Press, the Washington Post and more, all conveying that they'll likely do a story after Judge Surrick comes down with an order. Furthermore, Thursday brought five radio interviews, and yesterday six more. His Web site, Berg claims, has had more than 27.5 million hits -- including 1.6 million on Wednesday alone.
"People know about this case, regardless of attention from the media or lack thereof," Berg said. "30, 40 million people know about this, and more and more people know every day. Sooner or later, Obama is going to need to face reality."
I asked him as well about Jerome Corsi, the author of The Obama Nation who was just this week detained in Kenya as he attempted to hold a press conference detailing the relationship between the Illinois senator and Raila Odinga, the Kenyan prime minister who assumed power under a cloud of voter oppression and fraud. In his most recent pleading, Berg mentioned for the first time with specificity his belief that Barack Obama was born in Coast Hospital in Kenya, something which sounded awfully familiar and I think had been mentioned before by Corsi.
However, Berg maintains that he has had no contact with the controversial author, while the two did appear on the same Colorado radio station on Thursday, though an hour apart.
"He's got the information connecting Obama with Odinga, with the people who incited race riots and burned people alive. This whole thing is connected on some level with Obama," Berg said. "No, I haven't had personal contact with Corsi, but we do have something in common ... we both know Obama is a bad guy."
The Coast Hospital reference is in one of only six pending pleadings, not even counting the pair of motions filed by intervening parties. While my sources within the courthouse tell me that a decision could very well come down next week, many people feel that Judge Surrick is somehow stalling, or somehow kneeling to the altar of politics with regard to adjudicating this matter.
He is not.
These things take time, my friends. Judge Surrick is well within his discretion to take this amount of time -- and more. By all accounts, he is extremely deliberative, endlessly fair, and likes to do his own research and write his own opinions. Personally, I expect that when an order does come down, it will likely address each of the half-dozen outstanding pleadings. Of course, with Election Day looming, we'd all like to see this case resolved on this level one way or another. Berg would too.
"While of course I wish he would come down quicker on this matter," Berg said, "this is a very serious case and he is taking appropriate time to review it. He is a meticulous judge."
"Listen, this is in many ways a case of first impression. Nobody has asserted these claims on these grounds before," he said. "We're trying to make it so he has a difficult time ruling against us. No judge likes to be overturned. So, we're trying to give him as much as possible, countering generalities with specifics, crossing our fingers and hoping."


112 comments:
I dont understnad why he has not and will not show proof? there is only one reson that comes to mind. He has something to hide. Mccain had to show proof. Why not Obama? I know i know its racist to ask a black guy to do something during this election. But what the heck, its is as simple as does he meet the requirements or not. Also, does anyone have any more information about his alleged joint citizenship with Indonesia which would also make him not qualified via the constitution?
Thank You Jeff for informing
us of the current statis of
the Berg Case.
It is nice to finally hear that the story is getting some more coverage, and that some of the MSM are getting interested.
Mr. Berg's comment's of
Judge Surrick's stature and
the time expectation's are
relieving as well.
Great Job! Dan Smith
The question is not him producing the documents, but that HE SHOULD BE REQUIRED TOO.
Plain and simple. This is going to turn into a constitutional crisis and there is already talk about riots when he loses.
This is maddness.
If we don't put a stop to this then our country is lost.
I wonder what would happen if we flood the judge's phone and e-mail to act.
This should be awake up call to all patriots!
Send Obama back to Kenya where he belongs with Odinga.
I keep asking lawyers who are familiar with this one simple question, and I still can't get an answer:
Might the courts "really" bury this until after the election? My mind boggles at that - they would be telling the voters to go ahead and vote without knowing whether the leading candidate is elgible or not - "we'll let you know later."
I'm getting excited! I've been hysterical until now with horrid thoughts of Farrakhan and Ayers on the Supreme Court. Now I feel like it's going to finally break loose and all of us who've been conferring with one another on the matter can feel empowered rather than like ducks in a pond surrounded by hunters with no way out.
I've honestly felt voiceless. I've screamed this story to anyone with an email address. Even the National Enquirer LOLOL I had a Canadian news outlet and some in England I planned on hitting up with the story. They need to be afraid. The Canadians this close to us should be filling their shorts on the prospect of a neighboring country with an Islamic Radical Marxist as commander in chief of the most powerful military in the world. I'm still not going to stop though. I found the Canadian source actually showing a You Tube video of the Obama/Odinga situation. See the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QcpdUtxNQ They see it! I'm going to send you the reply a man born in Ecuador posted to me on an article I posted on. It scared the living **** out of me! I want you guys to see it because it's so real and the truth in it is chilling. As an outsider looking in at our situation, he can see what is really happening and is shocked that 'Americans can be as gullible as the people 3rd world countries'.
I REALLY want to share it and will send it next.
Thank you Jeff! I don't think I've thanked you for the information and the only source of truth I could hold onto during all this. The reality of all this has really done a number on me mentally. Everything I've believed in all my life is being raped and pillaged before my eyes. It's killing me. Thank you for being here and all your hard work and research and keeping my strength focused and alive. :)
Thanx for keeping on top of this.
Like you I am nervous that berg will see this through but it looks like he will.
This case is a place where Obama can loose the election for himself. That he doesn't produce documents in a meaningful way only hurts himself. I have thought of calling my congressional rep and senator (all democrats; I'm a republican) to pressure them to have the part come clean and get behind this. If this proves true it will only lead to an embattled president and a pissed of democratic party hungry for payback and that's not good for America.
chris wrote:
Mccain had to show proof. Why not Obama?
That's incorrect. McCain never had to show any proof. Both of the cases brought against him were dismissed because the court ruled that the plaintiffs did not have standing to bring the suits in the first place.
And McCain's case was fundamentally different. There was never any question as to where McCain was born. At issue was whether or not he was a "natural born citizen" under the federal statutes at the time he was born.
And finally, Obama has shown a certification of birth indicating he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, both in the form of a scanned image as well as photographs of the document.
The document is kept at his Chicago campaign headquarters. Why doesn't Berg simply pay a visit and ask to see the document for himself?
k
From the "get go" when I started being aware of Obama I said "he scares me". Now as more & more is exposed about him I realize there was a reason. The big question that troubles me is WHEN IS THIS MAN GOING TO BE STOPPED? The thought of him becoming our Commander In Chief is enough to give you nightmares.
Thanks Jeff for keeping us up on this.
anonymous wrote:
The question is not him producing the documents, but that HE SHOULD BE REQUIRED TOO.
He has already produced his certification of birth for the public, at least inasmuch as he can do such a thing.
And Berg has had every opportunity to visit Obama's Chicago headquarters and ask to see the document for himself.
I'm not aware that he has ever bothered to do so or that if he did, he was denied.
k
woof wrote:
Might the courts "really" bury this until after the election? My mind boggles at that - they would be telling the voters to go ahead and vote without knowing whether the leading candidate is elgible or not - "we'll let you know later."
That's the beauty of living in the United States. No one is forced to vote for any candidate they don't wish to vote for.
If anyone feels that this issue hasn't been resolved to their satisfaction, they're not forced to vote for Obama and are perfectly free to vote for someone else.
k
Guys, please don't bother the judge. It will only nnoy, hot help anything.
^^^^^^^
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
DO NOT bother the judge. DO NOT call his clerks. The clerks I know are already frustrated at the dozens of telephone calls received every day on this issue, asking the same questions, accusing the judge of stalling.
THIS DOES NOT HELP, and can only serve to hurt.
The judge is WELL WITHIN HIS DISCRETION here. Keep checking this Web site, as my contacts will let me know as soon as something is filed.
When something is filed, you will have the immediate synopsis (i.e. who won) and, after I've had the time to look at everything, an analysis of all aspects of the decision.
These things take time, people. I know it is frustrating -- I'm frustrated, too. Still, badgering the judge and/or his clerks does nobody any good.
Trust me, and trust my contacts. In the next two weeks, there is only one day where I would not get immediate--IMMEDIATE!--notice that an order has come down. There are two days where I'll be out of town and may not be able to provide in-depth analysis as quickly as I would like ... but the result and a brief synopsis of the outcome will be immediate. I can post, after all, from my Blackberry.
Trust me here, okay?!?
-- Jeff
keeth sabert wrote:
That he doesn't produce documents in a meaningful way only hurts himself.
He has already produced a certification of birth in the most meaningful way he possibly can for the public, a scanned image.
Also, FactCheck visited his Chicago campaign headquarters and took photographs of the document.
There is nothing preventing Berg or anyone else from doing the same thing FactCheck did.
k
Obama's birth certificate was proven a photoshopped forgery.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html
WOW Jeff great post. This is just so amazing that more folks won't report this.. I know most think this has mostly to do with the actual Birth Certificate, but it is about so much more as Mr. Berg has stated and proved.
You are doing the American People a "GREAT SERVICE" with reporting this.
God Bless,
Jason
The suits against McCain were dismissed but he did produce his real birth certificate for the media. Obama has produced nothing. The alleged colb that there is an internet image of would not be satisfactory even if it were the real document. What is required in any legal case is not a picture of a subpoena'd document but the record copy of the document itself, in this case the full bc (not colb) from Hawaii. Eventually the courts will have to require that to come out, unless they want to say that Article II is just a suggestion. The question is when - and the voters have a right to know whether their candidates are eligible before, not after, they vote.
This is a VERY telling article.
http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/senator-barack-obama-in-kenya-obama-and-odinga-the-true-story/
The bottom has this reply the man born in Ecuador posted.
I removed his last name myself for this posting here.
*note: DO look at the link he provided. Very Interesting.
Please tell me that was a voice over and that WASN'T McCain singing LOLOLOL
Antonio___ Says:
October 11, 2008 at 7:00 am
There is PROOF that Obama used his elected office—and taxpayers’ dollars—to support Kenya’s Raila Odinga, self touted as “Your Agent for Change,” a violent and dangerous man who made a pact with the Muslims to institute sharia (Islamic law). Odinga’s followers killed 750 people and burned a Christian church with 50 people, many of them children, inside. The mainstream media hiding these facts is CRIMINAL. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c30_1223478281
As someone born in Ecuador with friends and relatives in Latin America, I’m terrified watching how people in the United States are being manipulated just like people in Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador to put a Marxist in power.
The similarities between Rafael Correa’s campaign for president of Ecuador and that of Obama for U.S. president are amazing. Even the slogans (CHANGE, YES WE CAN, etc.) are the same. Correa’s campaign was part of a plan laid out by Castro at the Marxist Sao Paulo’s forum in the 90’s to spread Marxism. Correa is now a dictator working with Chávez y Islamics. It seems Odinga’s and Obama’s campaigns also part of that plan.
When informed Ecuadorians realized the amazing similarities between candidate Correa and candidate Obama, they felt confident that Americans could not be fooled as Ecuadorians had. However, it seems many Americans are as clueless as the poorest and most ignorant people in Ecuador or Bolivia.
Latin-American presidents-turned Marxist dictators (Chávez, Morales, Correa, etc.) also seem to have connections with Soros and the Islamics. Informed Ecuadorians were not able to convince their clueless compatriots that Correa was a fake and not the young and wonderful savior the media was portraying. They could not compete in ads with the millions Correa had (mostly from unknown sources). The CHANGE has been toward Marxism and greater poverty for all.
Wake up, Americans! Your enemies are brainwashing you to enslave you and your children!
Judah Benjamin on http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com now has a great discussion of the consequences if it is proven that Obama was in fact born in Kenya and the tremendous collateral damage that would result to the Democratic Party including Diane Feinstein and Nancy Pelosi who would become liable for their failure to ensure that he was an eligible candidate.
Have you guys gone to You Tube to see the comments?!! The fight is ON! The outrage is astounding.
Now there's a post claiming texasdarlin wordpress is saying the sealed Kenyan birth certificate is now found.
I hope it's true. I'm posting before investigating, so please forgive me, I'm not sounding any alarms.
From: Dr. John Tisdale
Dear Friends,
As I was listening to a news program last night, I watched in horror as Barack Obama made the statement with pride. . "We are no longer a Christian nation; we are now a nation of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists." As with so many other statements I've heard him (and his wife) make, I never thought I'd see the day that I'd hear something like that from a presidential candidate in this nation. To think our forefathers fought and died for the right for our nation to be a Christian nation--and to have this man say with pride that we are no longer that. How far this nation has come from what our founding fathers intended it to be.
I hope that each of you will do what I'm doing now--send your concerns, written simply and sincerely, to the Christians on your email list. With God's help, and He is still in control of this nation and all else, we can show this man and the world in November that we are, indeed, still a Christian nation!
Please pray for our nation!
Rev. Chapter 13
This will make you re-think: A Trivia question in Sunday School:
How long is the beast allowed to have authority in Revelation?
Revelation Chapter 13 tells us it is 42 months, and you know what that is.
Almost a four-year term of a Presidency.
According to The Book of Revelation the anti-Christ is: The anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40's, of MUSLIM 'descent' who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a massive Christ-like appeal... the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything..
All I can say is 'Lord, Have mercy on us!'
Found what they're talking about.
It's actually posted here as being "possible" that 3 certified copies of Kenyan birth certificates of Obama were sent from Kenya and received by 3 individuals.
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/
Just sharing so we all know what's going on out there :)
True or not, we'll know shortly.
Jeff;
NEWSFLASH:
Coast Provincial General Hospital, Mombasa, Kenya
I have received an unverified tip that certified copies of a Kenyan Birth Certificate (BC) for Obama were sent from Kenya, and have been received by three separate individuals. I am told that these documents are certified, with an embossed seal, and display the name of the hospital where Obama was born, as well as witness signatures.
Off TD Blog.
End game for Obama
Thank you again, Jeff for keeping us informed each day as you do so diligently and well as to Berg's lawsuit as it progresses and for your editorial legal opinions too.
Tanya in CT
Did you actually say, "my friends" in your commentary?
On August 23, 1961 "coincidentally" we have Barack Hussein Mohammad Obama born in Canada. By that date, we had been in the Vietnam War for around six years. If they were a Communist/ Viet Cong sympathizer, as Obama's parents are documented to be, would it not make sense to have him born in Canada where all the dodge drafters were fleeing so that their son would not be drafted later if the war against Communism were to continue? I am an Intelligence Analyst here in San Antonio so I must say I never believe the first report and I always go to the source to confirm or deny the validity of the report.
The reason I am writing is because I am concerned about Sen. Barack Obama's citizenship, full name, true intentions/ policies and his Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) connection that the media has refused to investigate, perhaps for fear of accusations of racism/ xenophobia. I have doubts about the legitimacy of his citizenship. Have you considered the following issues? Being Muslim the first born son is named Mohammed. It is possible to believe that Stanley Dunham was unaware of Barack Obama Sr.'s marriage in Kenya, and this would explain how Barack Jr. got named with the customary Mohammed where he had hoped to start a new life. Strangely Barack's older Kenyan half-brother Abongo (Roy) did not get the namesake. These are just thoughts that I have, and based on what you report about the discrepancies in the birth certificates it makes the issue of his Canadian citizenship all the more plausible. Why Canada? First off, just contrast Kenya to Canada and tell me which is more desirable.
Supposedly, just prior to the Dunham's moving to Hawaii, they had lived in Seattle which, as you know, is in close proximity to Canada. The Dunham family attended a church there that was known to be ultra-left and Stanley Ann's school there is known today as having Communist teachers.
Where did the birth certificate, we have, come from? Is it possible that Hawaii U.S. House Representative Neil Abercrombie, the only reported American besides Barack's grandmother that knew both of his parents, helped forge this fraudulent document and get the registrar who is embroiled in accusation of many other vital record improprieties as I write? Is it mere coincidence that Abercrombie and Barack were/ are members in the DSA organization?
Due to the missing Islamic traditional firstborn naming of "Mohammed" in the Obama family, the coincidental Barack Hussein Obama born the same month/ year, the suspect birth certificate and suspicious registrar and the idea that Canada would have been a closer location for a "fellow traveler" to have had their child born outside the US, after hating it so, I was forced to consider that there is something to what Berg and Mr. Mitchell have presented here. At risk of sounding conspiratorial and McCarthyist, I think that we may have a Manchurian candidate. I hope I am wrong. My conscience wouldn’t let me just ignore this.
One thing that all the shady characters in Obama’s circle (Rev. Wright, Khalid Al Monsour, Percy Sutton, Louis Farrakhan, Antoin Rezco, E. Said, K. Rashidi, M. Katz, Bill and Bernie Ayers, Carl Davidson, etc.) have in common is this: Foreign ties that believe that the right wing America that has killed and abused millions of innocents (Indians, Blacks, Arabs) and manipulated nations (Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, and Turkey) with the American dollars to help them, must come to an end both militarily and politically. By the way, Osama Bin Laden agrees. George Habash agrees. Hugo Chavez (friend of Bill Ayers) agrees. The DSA agrees.
If I am wrong on anything I write here, please correct me.
Ken Follis (kenfollis@juno.com)
Below is a petition someone started to get Congress to settle the Berg lawsuit by having Senator Obama present the records requested.
Here is the link to the Rally Congress petition;
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/stop-obama-constitutional-crisis
Unverified tip says 3 copies of Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate from Coast Provincial General Hospital have been issued. They have a seal and signatures of witnesses. I hope this is true.
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/obama-born-in-kenya-new-information/
If the good Judge and clerks are being harassed, it's likely coming from the younger crank leftys pretending to be partisans on the right.
There's been plenty of false flag sabotage coming from the Left in this election cycle.
Hope you can share that with your colleagues.
Remember what Obama said about dealing with threats to his candidacy.
""I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors," Barack Obama told a crowd in Elko, Nev. "I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face."
The call for increased antagonism has gone out to the troops. Expect more false-flag harassment from Obama operatives pretending to be from the right. The SEIU/DSA/ACORN crowd wouldn't hesitate to do whatever it took to stink up the process. It's the Alinsky way.
One thing we can all do is pray. Pray and pray some more. No matter what faith, pray. I believe so much is at stake for my nation and other nations that support us. I know that if we continue to get the word out there, and blog, blog, email, email, and spread the word with support, we can win this. This is a great nation and needs a great leader and we must fight evil, and it is amazing how so many know something evil is going on, so do not quit people. Please, just do not give up. And pray for the Judge, but do not bother him, pray for wisdom and discernment and victory for Berg and America.
Interesting information about how Obama could have a Hawaiian BC and yet still have been born in Kenya. Basically, the certificate wouldn't show the place of birth but the long form BC would:
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/obama-born-in-kenya-new-information/
Jeff,
Keep up the excellent work. It could be very well true that there's nothing really strange going on and the DNC/Obama have legitimate reasons to not share the paperwork (hence, part of some of their filings).
However, it does seem strange that something as simple as a birth cert and/or other documentation isn't readily available as, say, both Hillary and McCain have done.
What's more, one would think that as a "community organizer" (theoretically being someone who brings positive change to peoples' lives) Sen. Obama would have _plenty_ of folks to vouch for him. However, I haven't seen this happen as of late, considering most folks who seemed to have known him are either kept "off stage" or are being distanced from him (e.g.: Rev. Wright, Mr. William Ayers, Rev. Louie Farrakhan, etc.).
Personally, if Obama wants to be the biggest Commie Pinko on the face of the earth, that's his prerogative. I simply wouldn't vote for him.
But if he doesn't have the intellectual honesty -- both ethically and in fact -- to fulfill the fundamental requirements for POTUS, then why should I believe that he'll be able to handle exponentially bigger issues in the future?
I'll certainly be looking forward to hearing what Judge Surrick has to say in all of this. I know a number of folks are anxiously awaiting for the national media to swerve into this story.
Thanks again for all of your efforts,
-Phil
goldie said:
Obama's birth certificate was proven a photoshopped forgery.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html
No, it wasn't.
What was proved was that Techdude was a fraud who fabricated his analysis.
Both TexasDarlin and NoQuarter removed his reports from their blogs because of it.
k
woof wrote:
The suits against McCain were dismissed but he did produce his real birth certificate for the media. Obama has produced nothing.
All "the media" has to do is visit Obama's Chicago headquarters and ask to see the paper document. FactCheck did. There's nothing stopping any other media entity from doing the same.
The alleged colb that there is an internet image of would not be satisfactory even if it were the real document.
Satisfactory for what? How else is he expected to offer it up to the public? What more have you seen of McCain's birth certificate besides a lousy scanned image?
And again, there's nothing preventing anyone from visiting Obama's Chicago campaign headquarters and asking to see the paper document.
What is required in any legal case is not a picture of a subpoena'd document but the record copy of the document itself, in this case the full bc (not colb) from Hawaii.
First, the judge hasn't even determined if Berg has standing to bring the case in the first place.
Second, Hawaii no longer provides full birth certificates. And there's absolutely no need to provide one in order to establish that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Third, the COLB itself states that "This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding."
Eventually the courts will have to require that to come out, unless they want to say that Article II is just a suggestion.
There is no Article II question for the courts to answer at this point in time. Article II doesn't prevent anyone from running for President. It only prohibits who may hold the office of President.
The question is when - and the voters have a right to know whether their candidates are eligible before, not after, they vote.
No they don't. They don't even have the right to vote for President. That's because we don't directly elect the president in this country.
They have a right to ask. But they don't have a right to an answer. If they don't get an answer or they're not happy with the answer they're given, then they have the right not to vote for that candidate.
k
I found a You Tube video where some lady doing astrology is giving Berg a prediction of victory LOLOL
His moon was in the right place LOLOLOL
I'm NOT into this stuff but in looking at the video responses to this Berg video you have here this was one of them. She even mentions your name Jeff! LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHgyL2oasHM&NR=1
anonymous wrote:
Unverified tip says 3 copies of Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate from Coast Provincial General Hospital have been issued. They have a seal and signatures of witnesses. I hope this is true.
And I remember not long ago when Larry Johnson at NoQuarter reported that GOP operatives had gone to Hawaii and dug up Obama's birth certificate, and that the name on it was "Barry Soetoro."
Whatever happened to that?
Or the infamous "whitey tape"?
NoQuarter got burned when they allowed TexasDarlin to feature Techdude's articles over there. Techdude was found to be a complete fraud. Both TexasDarlin and NoQuarter pulled Techdude's articles and Larry Johnson has since cut his ties with TexasDarlin.
k
onetrueuber wrote:
Interesting information about how Obama could have a Hawaiian BC and yet still have been born in Kenya. Basically, the certificate wouldn't show the place of birth but the long form BC would:
That's incorrect.
The information on the short form document is taken from the long form document. So if the short form document says he was born in Hawaii, that's what the long form document will say.
And you'll note that the short form document Obama has provided says "DATE FILED BY REGISTRAR" is August 8, 1961.
If you're going to rely on "Judah Benjamin" for your information, then you're just asking for disappointment in the end.
First, the law cited wasn't written until 1982. Obama's certificate was filed in 1961.
Second, the law states "Certificates for children born out of State."
Out of state is not the same as out of country. Out of state means in the US, but in a different state than Hawaii.
k
Here it is. The plan to get the birth certificate and a claim it was delivered to Phil.
I bet you won't post this LOLOLOL
http://pub36.bravenet.com/forum/3009070907/fetch/879567/
According to Ed Hale, he has a copy of the Kenyan BC as well as Philip J Berg and writes how he was able to acquire it with the help of a member of his blogsite. According to him, Berg just wants the opportunity to have a court hearing, during which he will introduce the BC as evidence. Also, according to Hale, he had someone look into the vault copy of Obama's BC in Hawaii, and it doesn't exist.
http://pub36.bravenet.com/forum/3009070907/fetch/879567/
phil wrote:
However, it does seem strange that something as simple as a birth cert and/or other documentation isn't readily available as, say, both Hillary and McCain have done.
It has been readily available. It's at his campaign headquarters in Chicago and has likely been there at the very least since June of this year which is when the scanned image of it was made available.
What's strange is that there's no evidence that Berg has made any attempt whatsoever to go see the document for himself.
What's strange is that instead of doing what any reasonable person would do, he just dredged up a bunch of half-baked junk off the Internet, did little more than cut and paste it and cobbled together a lawsuit.
What sort of nonsense is that?
k
Obama supporters who are starting to monitor this in earnest (and I have a good friend who is one), please don't feel that you have to "riot" if Obama, after a Democratic electoral victory, is ruled ineligible to be President.
This will simply be implementation of the law, and it is good for the law to be implemented, and new laws passed if needed. If Obama has genuine political support and is not just a bad guy it will survive this setback and can be used as a lever for institutional change for the better, without abolishing "bourgeois democratic" institutions as occurred under Communism. Obama could be proposed to head a United States Social Forum, which could be brought into a relationship of free and reversible competition with liberal-democratic institutions.
Dr. John Tisdale wrote:
"To think our forefathers fought and died for the right for our nation to be a Christian nation--"
I can't believe you let this go unchallenged! You people claim to be so outraged about the Constitutional issues, but you let this go. Haven't you heard of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment?
It goes like this:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
THIS MEANS THIS IS A NATION BASED ON RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!!!
This is NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN a CHRISTIAN nation!!!
I have been hearing this BULLSHIT for the last eight years since Bush went for the Christian vote.
You should all be ashamed for believing Bush rhetoric and letting it pass!
I'm glad to see the case finally getting attention and the new YouTube video. I've been following this since before Berg actually filed the suit. Since McCain released his documents, Obama ought to do the same. I'm sure his campaign will play the race card again as with every other question of his integrity. I'm with Berg on this 100%. And thank you Jeff for your diligence.
There may be riots, that is the threat? Yes, there may be riots. The citizens rioting however will be the patriots of this country rising up in arms over the allowance of a NON-CITIZEN to run for and be elected President of the United States without proper documentation. THIS CAN'T STAND. WE THE PEOPLE...are waiting for the judge to completely and totally 100% uphold the Constitution of the USA - so help us GOD.
It looks like that Ed Hale lied about his claims of securing the Kenyan BC for Berg according to Berg's assistant on obamacrimes.com.
If you're Jewish or Christian Obama is out to take us down because we stick together and Islam hates us both.
These are videos that you MUST see.
Now we know where Obama gets all his money!
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3647570/10045063
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He was a member of a Socialist Party called the "New Party" in IL.
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3690307/10157483
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His family belonged to a Marxist Wiccan church in Washington.
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3684587/10144768
Please everyone email everyone you can as often as you can. send them the location of the video. tell them how you feel. here are email addys. make sure you use a BCC for long lists. one name for the regular receiver then 499 more in the BCC at gmail will work. gmail allows 500 names on an email. you can open a new gmail account free for this purpose. for lists of email this will more than do the job.
http://rumormillnews.com/MEDIA_EMAIL_ADDRESSES.htm
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=media+email+addresses&aq=1&oq=media+email
this video is named OCTOBER SURPRISE on youtube. it can be found at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs
if your email list is too long you can do a word count. go to google and ask for a word counter and it will give you one. paste into there and it will give you a count. if too large cut back on the list. I put the list into word and edit from there.
Do not expect others to save your country. You must be a Patriot and save your own country. Email everyone. ask your friends to make the email viral. we need to get the word to 300 million americans. and foreign newspapers are good also. shame the american media into putting this out there.
If americans are prepared for this then there is less chance of riots.
God Bless are Patriotic Americans. We need his blessing more than ever right now. Now is the time to act. tomorrow might be too late.
anonymous wrote:
On August 23, 1961 "coincidentally" we have Barack Hussein Mohammad Obama born in Canada.
No, what you have is a birth certificate that was MADE UP AS A JOKE. It was posted at rense.com and was signed by cartoon character "Dudley Doright."
Is there NOTHING you people won't fall for?
k
Koyaan, Bugger off! You are obviously a paid Obamanut! We are all well past that birth certificate on Obama's website. Anyone in the 60's can claim their child was born "at home" and file for a birth certificate. It is the VAULT version of his birth certificate Berg is looking for, and you know it! That is the LONG version and has alot more detail. Obama does not have one! ARe you also forgetting that HIS OWN PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER, and Uncles/Aunts in Kenya stated they WERE IN THE DELIVERY ROOM WHEN OBAMA WAS BORN IN KENYA!!! Get a clue and slink back to the hole from wence you came!
Goldie - That "Marxist Wiccan Church" you mention is nothing of the sort. It's a Unitarian-Universalist church, formed from the union of two Christian churchs, Christian Universalism and Unitarianism.
John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Ethan Allan, and others of the founders of this country were either Universalists or Unitarians.
Modern UUs are a mix of Christian UUs, Jewish UUs, Neopagan UUs, and a mix of other faiths that agree with the UUs stance on religion and faith. While the UU church tends towards liberalism, there are conservative UUs as well.
You might want to do your homework before making claims like this.
The poster koyaan is posting one falsehood after another. No Quarter has not cut any ties with Texas Darlin nor has Texas Darlin cut any ties with techdude. As for the alleged document at Obama HQ, at best (and doubtful) it is a certificate of live birth NOT the same as a birth certificate. it does not have all the info, it is a short form. Besides, a legal document under subpoena must come from the official source which is Hawaii not the Obama campaign. Someone ban koyaan, he is attempting to hijack this thread.
Jeff,
Question: If BO were to produce the "vault" copy of the BC, would the suit just be dismissed, or would BO have the still produce the documents requested and answer the admissions?
I think that BO as President would be a disaster for this country and probably would take a generation or so to clean up. That being said, I can see why he and the DNC would fight this, with the laundry list of discovery items it entails.
koyaan = Obama-troll
Take it elsewhere. Nobody cares what you or your master think. Go back to the DKos and sing to the evil choir over there.
Cannot post comment or get past page 1 on the comments on obamacrimes.com. Anyone else having trouble?
woof wrote:
The poster koyaan is posting one falsehood after another. No Quarter has not cut any ties with Texas Darlin nor has Texas Darlin cut any ties with techdude.
Really?
Then perhaps you would care to explain why NoQuarter seems to have removed all of TexasDarlin's articles that she'd posted there?
This one for example:
Update on Techdude's COLB Report (UPDATE)
"I'm sorry, but the post or page you're looking for could not be found."
Oops.
However it can still be seen in Google's cache:
CACHED: Update on Techdude's COLB Report (UPDATE)
Oh, what's this?
UPDATE–(BY LARRY JOHNSON) AFTER FURTHER INVESTIGATION WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT TECHDUDE IS NOT TOO TECHIE AND IS CERTAINLY A DUD. I DON’T KNOW WHAT HIS GAME IS BUT THE GUY WHO CLAIMS TO WORK IN COLUMBIA, MISSOURI IS NOT RELIABLE. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT TEXAS DARLIN HAD NO IDEA THIS GUY WAS A FRAUD. I BELIEVE SHE TRUSTED HIM IN GOOD FAITH. UNFORTUNATELY, TECH DUD DID NOT RETURN THE FAVOR OR CONFIDENCE TD PLACED IN HIM.
Well, absolutely no question that NoQuarter cut their ties with Techdude. They even went so far as to delete the article to keep people from knowing they ever did have ties with Techdude.
And what's this from TexasDarlin?
All information that we have received from Techdude has been published. We have not seen the rest of his evidence. At present, he is unavailable. Should he not respond promptly, we will remove his statements and findings. In the future, if we receive all of the documentation he promised and are able to prove that it’s credible, we will restore his reports.
As I said, TexasDarlin pulled all of Techdude's articles from her blog.
If that's not cutting ties, I don't know what is.
As for the alleged document at Obama HQ, at best (and doubtful) it is a certificate of live birth NOT the same as a birth certificate. it does not have all the info, it is a short form.
It has his place of birth, which is what has been questioned. Since the short form takes its information from the long form, the long form would give the same place of birth.
Someone ban koyaan, he is attempting to hijack this thread.
Yes, ban koyaan. We can't allow any other views to be expressed but our own.
k
anonymous wrote:
We are all well past that birth certificate on Obama's website. Anyone in the 60's can claim their child was born "at home" and file for a birth certificate. It is the VAULT version of his birth certificate Berg is looking for, and you know it! That is the LONG version and has alot more detail. Obama does not have one!
You seem to be contradicting yourself here.
You dismiss that Obama's certificate said the birth was registered in 1961 by saying that anyone in the 60s could claim their child was born at home and file for a birth certificate.
But then you say Obama doesn't have a long version birth certificate.
Well, if his mother had registered his birth as a home birth back in the 60s, then he would indeed have a long version birth certificate.
ARe you also forgetting that HIS OWN PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER, and Uncles/Aunts in Kenya stated they WERE IN THE DELIVERY ROOM WHEN OBAMA WAS BORN IN KENYA!!!
I've heard numerous people make this claim. But I haven't seen one shred of evidence to substantiate it.
k
Phil Berg web site does not work. you can not read the posts and you can not post. It is all messed up. I am hoping you can let Phil know so he can fix it.
He switched the postings to 5 pages. only page 1 can be read. impossible to post either.
Frustrated because the new postings can not be read. the old postings from almost a week ago can be read but are old news now.
thanks for helping.
Well Pat I'm not as stupid as you wish me to be! This "church" still stands and is called the East Shore Unitarian Church. The members there, at least when his mom and grandparents attended, supported Red China's (COMMUNIST) entry in to the United Nations. Almost 60,000 Americans died to stop Red China's attempt at global dictatorship. They protested the US defense of South Vietnam in favor of the Communists. ALSO this Unitarian church accepts all people of anything, especially if they're pro commie. The "little Red church" got it's name from it's activism for Marxist beliefs. The Wiccan part comes in where this church had organized a home school program and it was listed in the Witches' Voice networking resource. The ONLY church besides those of Wiccan interest is the Eastshore Unitarian Homeschool Cooperative. It states in the information about this "cooperative" on this site - "Pagan Families Welcome".
There is a document stating: "Group Overview: Academic cooperative for those who are UU and/or of liberal philosophy or world view. We are a ministry team of East Shore Unitarian Church in Bellevue, Washington (www.eastshoreunitarian.org),
which is a non profit religious entity (not incorcorated!) . It has an earth religion group that plans regular events around the earth's rotation and Wiccan faith." They also state that "Our congregations are full of Wiccan and Pagan families" It also states that the "UU is a non-denominational religious entity that feels spirituality has many paths".
So a Marxist activist church that teaches Wicca. Not in total since they take and accept anybody but they embrace it enough to provide it.
Our forefathers were members of the Masons. They are tolerant of all free thinking and fair to all religions. So with all the present day Jim Jones' and the Rev. Wrights in the world that bastardize streamline religions, and the huge movement against the Vietnam War and it stands to reason that these people created their OWN basis of faith and activism. Not surprising. But the fact remains that Obama's family attended this East Shore Unitarian Church and were Marxists.
You, of all people, will NOT tell me when to speak or about what. Dispute my word but don't resort to a condescending tone because it is impossible to bully me. I am MY OWN. I spelled it out for you here as plain as it is because YOU couldn't be bothered to research it before you opened your ill informed mouth.
Koyaan did this on Berg's blogs too. This is his job. He is one of 3600 employees out of 100000 applications for the job. OBAMA FELLOWS work 30 hours a week and get paid by the hour to work communities, blogs, phones, etc.
They all have the same party line and repeat the same stuff over and over and over again.
If they get frustrated they pull the race card.
Google OBAMA FELLOWS and it will take u to the Obama website where you can see it all for yourself.
He is just doing his job :)
Ignore him and hope he goes away to a more active blog. There are a lot addressing Berg's lawsuit right now. Koyann is probably having to work overtime and if he is smart, he should ask for a raise and he is selling his soul.
First off, I LOVE your site. I visit it everyday. Thank you for keeping us abreast of what the MSM seems to turn away from.
My question is this...
IF Obama is elected before the case has ended, what then? Can he be impeached, or would our Democratic Congress turn away as the MSM has done?
I truly believe he is definately hiding something, and he seems not to give a damn....
LadyBronx
I suppose kyaan believes those Chinese gymnansts really WERE 16. After all, they had DOCUMENTS to show that they were, right?
I received an email today from a respectful individual who stated that the rumoured "August 23, 1961 Barack Hussein Mohammad Obama birth in Canada" that I mentioned was false and based on a fake birth certificate. This lead to the discovery of someone analyzing these and other charges:
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/
It is someone looking at the case closely and lets you see what is proof so far. Thanks to "SE" for pointing me to it. I do hope that Obama's full vital records, medical, college transcripts and papers, and passports will be public records soon.
Again, if I am wrong on anything I write here, please correct me.
Ken Follis (kenfollis@juno.com)
Right on Woof.
There was much in the News this morning about "Voter Fraud".
I would wonder ir Mr.Berg
can add "Voter Fraud" against Obama/Soetoro if he
is Found to be a Indonesian Citizen? Not only for Voting on Election's, but Voting on Senate issues, etc.. Dan Smith
STANDING is the key issue in this case. In light of Lujan, it will be hard for Mr. Berg to assert standing. The harm he will suffer, almost immediately, is the same harm as any other citizen. However, in light of Massachusetts v. EPA, he may have standing because it is a foreseeable harm and the Senate and FEC have failed to act. I think it is wise that Mr. Berg asserted claims against Sen. Feinstein and the FEC. Those claims have more particularized harm than the harm against Obama himself. The FEC and Senate must demonstrate a reasonable basis for not inquiring into the birthplace and citizenship of Sen. Obama.
Koyaan why don't you STFU cause I am sick of your pathetic attempt to protect your God Obama. We know he isn't a American and you do as well, the only difference is we the enlightened see the truth and you regurgitate the lines of the cult of Obama. I for one can't wait until this all goes through and Obama is told he can't be president, there may be some riots but thats ok. I love a bit of chaos, but I love to see people like you Koyaan cry "Boo hoo the lord Obama's not the president." I just wish I could slap some sense into you boy. So take off Obamabot we don't want to hear your garbage.
I thought that people had to be born in the United States to run for president - McCain was born in formerly USA held territory in Panama. Unlike Obama who was born in the USA.
Luke W
anonymous wrote:
Koyaan why don't you STFU cause I am sick of your pathetic attempt to protect your God Obama.
As is all too typical, people can't address what's actually been said so they resort to ad hominem.
And these same people wonder why no one outside their vicious little circlejerk wants to take any of this stuff seriously.
Why should they?
k
anonymous wrote:
There was much in the News this morning about "Voter Fraud"
I'm glad you put "voter fraud" in quotes because the media's trying to pass off the ACORN stuff off as "voter fraud" is something of a fraud in itself.
It's registration fraud. Something quite separate from voter fraud. Registration cards don't vote. Voters do.
And so far I haven't seen any evidence that any of these fraudulent registrations have been turned into votes, at which point it would in fact be voter fraud.
It's also worth noting that it's ACORN that's being defrauded here by those they hire to go out on the streets and try to register voters.
I mean, how does it benefit ACORN, or those who use ACORN for voter registration drives, for the people they hire to turn in bogus registrations?
It doesn't.
I think ACORN's real problem is that they tend to hire poor people do this work.
While there are certainly many who are poor through no fault of their own, in my opinion a great number of those who are poor are poor because they're basically lazy, and have no compunction when it comes to trying to game the system or in this case, to try and swindle ACORN in order to try and get paid without having done the work they were hired to do.
That should be the real story here. Not misleading stories about "voter fraud."
k
As nice, neat and organized the site "What's Your Evidence" appears, it's conclusions smell of Obamanation.
When I reached the segment which gave koyaan the green light - any thread of objectivity that existed - vanished.
anonymous wrote:
I suppose kyaan believes those Chinese gymnansts really WERE 16. After all, they had DOCUMENTS to show that they were, right?
But with the Chinese gymnasts, there was some compelling evidence (i.e. their physical characteristics) indicating that they likely were not as old as they claimed to be.
With Obama, there's so far been no compelling evidence that he was born anyplace other than Hawaii.
k
Thank You Jeff for informing
Hope you have a nice time!
While checking out the What's your Evidence search, I came upon another
website that states the owner of that blog, work's for the Lawfirm hired by Obama, check it out.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2103814/posts Dan Smith
anonymous wrote:
Koyaan did this on Berg's blogs too.
Yes, I did.
Until I was banned.
In spite of the fact that Berg himself wrote that others posting their comments on his blog was a right of free speech guaranteed by our Constitution.
Of course Berg doesn't really have any real understanding of the Constitution or else he would know that our First Amendment rights don't extend to private blogs such as his.
But even so, banning people simply for having differing opinions only shows that Berg doesn't even have any respect for the spirit of free speech, let alone the Constitution.
Either that or he got his notions of "free speech" from Joseph Stalin.
This is his job. He is one of 3600 employees out of 100000 applications for the job. OBAMA FELLOWS work 30 hours a week and get paid by the hour to work communities, blogs, phones, etc.
And here we have yet another fine example of someone who is incapable of addressing what has been said and instead can only resort to ad hominem.
FYI, I do this at my pleasure. I've been discussing politics online for over 25 years. This is absolutely nothing new for me.
k
goldie wrote:
Well Pat I'm not as stupid as you wish me to be! This "church" still stands and is called the East Shore Unitarian Church. The members there, at least when his mom and grandparents attended, supported Red China's (COMMUNIST) entry in to the United Nations.
So what?
Virtually every red-blooded American across this nation's heartland LOVES China! To the tune of $200 billion a year!
Are you calling all these red-blooded Americans COMMUNISTS?
k
As far as I know, Dan, the Free Republic entry is WRONG. The firm in question, Dickstein Shapiro, must be getting confused with another firm.
Defending Obama and the DNC:
Sandler Reiff (D.C.)
Perkins Coie (D.C.)
Ballard Spahr (Philly)
The owner of the What's Your Evidence blog has no more a dog in this fight than I do. If she's a liberal, so be it -- I'm a conservative and make no effort at hiding it.
Remember, Dan, that everybody has an agenda. She does, I do, you do, we all do. The burden is not on the person with the agenda to abandon it--unless that person is obligated to be objective--but rather on the person reading the information to see past it.
Make sense?
To add to what I just said...
Listen, I'm just a law student. I've been working for a wire service for a half-dozen years and through that have read more than a half-million civil complaints. Beyond that stuff, I don't know that much. The folks over at What's Your Evidence are doing an admirable job looking through the pleadings and such. Check 'em out, if for nothing else than the informational value. Don't agree with the conclusions? Okay, but at least you know the case law and the opposing perspective.
In the meantime, this week should be interesting:
On Monday, I'm not expecting much because the holiday has a skeleton crew at the courthouse.
On Tuesday, my chief contact at the courthouse is not there, and should something come down, I may not receive word right away (DON'T USE THIS AS AN EXCUSE TO BOTHER THE JUDGE'S CLERKS, OKAY?). Still, it'll be pretty close to immediate.
Wednesday and Thursday, should something happen, you'll know right away.
Same goes for Friday, but I'm making a hasty exit from work so I can go on a fun hayride with my daughter. If something comes down, you'll know the basics right away, but the details may come at about 8:00pm or so.
Or ... maybe ... we won't hear squat this week.
Anyway, thank you to you all for reading, and be sure to check out the Assigned Reading which will be ready for tomorrow (Monday). There are some interesting pieces included.
-- Jeff
jeff schreiber wrote:
As far as I know, Dan, the Free Republic entry is WRONG. The firm in question, Dickstein Shapiro, must be getting confused with another firm.
Of course it's WRONG. It was posted by Polarik. ;)
k
koyann, if that made any sense I would respond. You serve no other purpose than to antagonize on here on behalf of your Islamic Marxist Radical candidate, so you mean nothing to me.
So Jeff, any word on what happened with that site saying they were responsible for getting 3 BC's? It's been removed!
goldie wrote:
koyann, if that made any sense I would respond.
I'm sorry if my comment made no sense to you. Allow me to explain.
As I said, most every red-blooded American LOVES China. By this I meant that they can't get enough of the cheap, low quality, and sometimes even toxic goods produced in China.
They don't care that China is a Communist dictatorship. They only care about cheap crap, which allows them to own and possess more crap than they would otherwise, so that they can feel better about themselves.
They long ago gave up the notion of being frugal and saving up for something which may have a higher price, but higher quality.
They want their crap, they want as much as they can get, and they want it NOW. And they'll get it even if that means maxing out all their credit cards and going deep into debt.
So as I said, they LOVE China.
Oh, and the $200 billion I mentioned refers to our trade deficit with China.
k
Goldie - Yes, it's a Unitarian Church. Your point? A lot of our country's founders and upstanding citizens were Unitarians and Universalists.
Personally, I'm far more worried by how much of our debt China owns and how much of our industrial capacity has gone there, than what the members of a church may or may not have done in the 50's.
There is a religious affiliation group for Pagan Unitarians called CUUPS - Covenant of Unitarian-Univeralist Pagans. Just as there's the Unitarian Universalist Christian Fellowship (UUCF) and Unitarian Universalist Buddhist Fellowship (UUBF) Not to mention philosophical groups like the Conservative Forum for Unitarian Universalists.
Oh, and "liberal" doesn't equal "marxist". Assuming because a church says it has a "liberal philosophy or world view" it's "marxist" would be as wrong - and silly - as assuming that "conservative" equals "facist".
And homeschooling doesn't mean anything either. There are conservatives and liberals who homeschool.
As for the Pagan / Wiccan angle, well, like much of society, Pagans and Wiccans come in all political stripes. From far left to far right. I know a lot of Conservative Republican Pagans - and a lot of Democratic Pagans. I myself am a gun-owning, socially libertarian and fiscally conservative Pagan.
Anyone who wants to call me a "marxist" will be invited to coffee and pistols at dawn.
Yes, many our our founders were Masons. Like many of our founders were Unitarians or Universalists. This is why we have such a strong and proud tradition of religious liberty and freedom in this country. Equating that tradition to cultists like Jim Jones or others of his ilk is a major stretch of imagination at best - and certainly spits in the face of what the founders of this country intended.
Oh, and I think you meant "Mainstream" religion, not "streamline" religion.
Finally I will also point out that disagreement - or even simply pointing out the facts of something, isn't telling someone to when not "to speak or about what". Nor is it bullying. Based on what you've said, I'm forced to conclude I may be better informed about several topics than you may be.
Goldie - "I found a You Tube video where some lady doing astrology is giving Berg a prediction of victory"
Ah, but what did the chicken entrails say? Did they also check the bumps on his head?? And we can't ignore numerology or reading his palm, can we??
Luke W - There's been at least two court cases challenging McCain's right to run for the office of President as well. Both were rejected. Jeff wrote a rather good article on the subject a few weeks ago.
I suspect what the lawsuits against both McCain and Obama have shown us is that there should be a way to publically verify if a candidate meets the qualifications to hold that office. I suggested a week or so ago that, as part of the filing to run for the office of president, the candidate has to provide the FEC copies of the birth certificates and all *appropriate* information relating to such. The FEC can then verifiy the accuracy of such and release a certificate that states the candidate has met the qualifications to hold said office and is therefore eligible to run. Simple, transparent, and saves the courts time and money.
More info;
Obama’s Birth Certification
The form on his web-site and FactChech is actually what is considered the “short form”
Whereas the long form is a copy of the actual birth certificate, a short form is a document that certifies the existence of such certificate, and is usually titled a “Certification of Birth.
Forgery of the short form, if passed, would be able to hide the existance of any relevant information on the long form.
Such as marital status. [see below]
The long form usually includes parents’ information (address of residence, race, birth place, date of birth, etc.), additional information on the child’s birthplace, and information on the doctors that assisted in the birth of the child. But more importantly also the marital status.
Remember:
Because Obama’s father was ALREADY married in Kenya, the marriage to Obama’s mother may not even be legal!!!
Personally I believe Obama WAS born in Kenya, his mother back in Hawaii announced the birth, and Obama’s Birth Certification is a forgey, as a “Certificate of Birth” does not exist.
Remember also, we have a “Certification of Birth” which is
released when NO record is found. Another hint that no “Certificate of Birth” exists.
If you are adopted, your biological birth record is probably sealed. In this instance, DHHL staff may be able to assist you in getting the ethnicity of your biological parents. Additionally, depending on your particular circumstance the Family Court may be able to help you get the information you need. If your adoption occurred in the State of Hawaii, you may be able to get a copy of your original birth certificate. Access to out of state adoption records, however, vary according to the respective jurisdiction.
To Jeff:Thank's for straightening me out on that one.
While reading whatsyourevidence it "Did"
give me a realistic view of the "case". I have never studied Law, but will plan to now (as a hobby). My concern's were the additional entries in Red Bold type at the end of the
statute's. I did not find that on any other websites (yet). If they are "True" it would seem that Mr. Berg might have some error's.
I'm glad that you gave me this information so that I don't look like a real Fool
while discussing the case to other's. More people should be aware of this, but not be dismayed. Mr. Berg seems to know what he's doing, and probably has something up his sleeve.
Something does not seem right. If, "whats your evidence" find's so many "flaw's" and all of it is 'true", one would wonder
that "Anyone with half a brain would not file that lawsuit". I'm sure that is not the case, as the Judge would have Dismissed it already. Time will tell.
Thank's again Jeff, You gave me one of my most important lesson's in my 54 yr. old life. (Beside's, Don't alway's Believe what you Hear or Read)lol, but also the source, motivation's, etc..
I still feel there is something to this, otherwise
Obama/Soetoro would have submitted his Document's by now. Have Fun on the Hayride.
Daniel Smith
Although, it is everyones right to vote for the candidate of there choice, it is also our right to know the truth about each. all information especially something as a lil ol birth certificate!!!
obama has ducked and dodged his way to this point, it is now time to pay the piper. he owes the citizens of this great nation the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him GOD!! YES GOD, this is a GOD fearing country not muslim, and if he wishes to do the muslim thing then he needs to bow out and go back to kenya!
there have been to many discrepancies with this man, including rev wright, ayers, rezco and now odinga and possibly trying to sabotage when the troops come home til after the election. among other things dealings with farrakhan a known white hater, acorn and where he is getting his campaign funding from. to many things, if i have to question whether or not my candidate is fair an just and with good standing, if i were the dnc i would ask him to step down and let the real candidate come forward!!!
obama has stated his wife was off limits, hmmmm wonder why? nobama is dirty and if he is elected life as we know it will be lost!
Hey Patrick!
I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you here.
I suggested a week or so ago that, as part of the filing to run for the office of president, the candidate has to provide the FEC copies of the birth certificates and all *appropriate* information relating to such. The FEC can then verifiy the accuracy of such and release a certificate that states the candidate has met the qualifications to hold said office and is therefore eligible to run. Simple, transparent, and saves the courts time and money.
The federal government has absolutely no authority to say who can or cannot run for the office. The Constitution only gives the qualifications for holding the office.
Everything else is wholly a state issue as the Constitution specifically grants exclusive power to the states to appoint electors.
The only authority the FEC has is with respect to campaign financing by way of the commerce clause (which I think is rather a bit of a stretch).
No government entity has any constitutional authority to dictate to the states who may or may not appear on their state ballots. Again, the Constitution specifically grants this exclusive power to the states.
C'mon, Patrick. You need to get back in touch with your "inner libertarian." ;)
k
I shudder to think what will happen if this is true.....and I believe it is! I think the fact that no conservative or liberal media has mentioned this is absolute proof. The liberal media would never criticize their 'hero'. The conservative media will sit on this until the exact right time and.....BANG!
As bad as all of this is....what will happen when people find out that Obama scammed millions upon millions of dollars from innocent followers? He could spend the rest of his life in prison!
koyaan - Hey, if they have to file ANYWAY to run, might as well include this to refuse future Bergs and Robinsons.
anonymous wrote:
Although, it is everyones right to vote for the candidate of there choice, it is also our right to know the truth about each.
You have the right to ask. You don't have the right to an answer. If the question isn't answered, or it isn't answered to your satisfaction, you're free to refrain from voting for that candidate.
YES GOD, this is a GOD fearing country not muslim, and if he wishes to do the muslim thing then he needs to bow out and go back to kenya!
That's funny. Article VI, Section 3 of the Constitution of the United States specifically states:
...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office of public trust under the United States.
But then, this was never really about the Constitution to begin with, was it?
And I find it rather ironic that someone should say "This is a GOD fearing country not muslim" when Muslims, Christians and Jews all worship--and I presume also fear--God.
Same God. Just different prophets, i.e. Jesus, Abraham and Muhammad.
k
There is something wrong with Koyaan, I mean that, PatGund is a close second -- Koyaan, seems like there is really something pyschologically wrong with him! Anyone that could spend that much time, to such a fanatical extreme degree, whether or not it's their job, even more so if it is not their job, as Koyaan claims, has something pyschologically wrong with them. That behavior just isn't normal.
Here's a posting that I posted in response to some garbabge Koyaan had writen in another article. Koyaan never responded -- HE HAD TO SHUT HIS MOUTH. Here's the post to him:
"koyaan,
I won't be so arrogant to say that you're wrong... But your analysis may be incomplete, inaccurate and flawed, and biased -- I do not believe YOUR interpretation of a supposed mechanism already existing to deal with the subject matter of the Berg lawsuit is correct. As a matter of fact, I believe that this is one of those areas in the Constitution which would require interpretation by the Courts in conjunction with relevant statutes, provisions, and case law.
Additionally, there is the issue that there is really no statutory or case law precedent that would be directly on point to resolve the subject matter of the Berg lawsuit. Therefore, the Berg lawsuit could serve as the catalyst necessary for the Courts to set that precedent, albeit for the FIRST time. There's nothing wrong with that -- SOMEONE HAS TO BE FIRST IN TERMS OF SETTING THE PRECEDENT FOR RESOLVING SUCH AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT ISSUE AS NATURAL BORN STATUS TO QUALIFY BEING POTUS. AND, OF COURSE, THE JUDICIARY IS WELL WITHIN ITS BOUNDS TO SET THAT PRECEDENT!! Otherwise, where would our country be with respect to civil rights, desegregation, Roe v. Wade, etc.
Re YOUR opinion of OBAMA'S COLB - that's simply your personal opinion. Where is the EVIDENCE, the names of those debunking the opinions of the 3 independent forensics experts??
I WILL RELY ON THE COURTS' EVALUATION OF OBAMA'S COLB and other issues, NOT your PERSONAL OPINION.
I DO NOT think that your analysis of procedures YOU BELIEVE are already in place to deal with the subject matter of the Berg lawsuit is as clear cut as you are trying to make it out to be. If that were the case, the Court would certainly have ruled by now.
The outcome of the Berg action will be determined by the Courts (including 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals and U.S. Supreme) NOT YOU!!! If Berg loses he loses. We will have to wait and see!
I will reiterate that the intent of our founding fathers when they drew up provisions concerning the natural born requirement for POTUS, was NOT to have that prerequiste merely swept under the carpet by some hypertechnical loophole alleging lack of standing.
It is up to the COURTS to make that FINAL DETERMINATION!!"
POSTED BY: George
pat posts:
Goldie - "I found a You Tube video where some lady doing astrology is giving Berg a prediction of victory"
Ah, but what did the chicken entrails say? Did they also check the bumps on his head?? And we can't ignore numerology or reading his palm, can we??
I really posted:
I found a You Tube video where some lady doing astrology is giving Berg a prediction of victory LOLOL
His moon was in the right place LOLOLOL
I'm NOT into this stuff but in looking at the video responses to this Berg video you have here this was one of them. She even mentions your name Jeff! LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHgyL2oasHM&NR=1
October 11, 2008 11:27 PM
----I was Obviously joking and stating I don't believe in it. You posted this in 'part' just to show your ass.
pat said:
Oh, and "liberal" doesn't equal "marxist". Assuming because a church says it has a "liberal philosophy or world view" it's "marxist" would be as wrong - and silly - as assuming that "conservative" equals "facist".
I said:
His family belonged to a Marxist Wiccan church in Washington.
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3684587/10144768
October 12, 2008 5:50 AM
Then:
The members there, at least when his mom and grandparents attended, supported Red China's (COMMUNIST) entry in to the United Nations. Almost 60,000 Americans died to stop Red China's attempt at global dictatorship. They protested the US defense of South Vietnam in favor of the Communists. ALSO this Unitarian church accepts all people of anything, especially if they're pro commie. The "little Red church" got it's name from it's activism for Marxist beliefs. The Wiccan part comes in where this church had organized a home school program and it was listed in the Witches' Voice networking resource. The ONLY church besides those of Wiccan interest is the Eastshore Unitarian Homeschool Cooperative. It states in the information about this "cooperative" on this site - "Pagan Families Welcome".
----I never called the Unitarians Marxists. I made it clear they accept anyone but my issue was the Marxism. I was talking about THAT church. I typed what was on the site on the video verbatum and quoted it. Many sites have been yanked down since Obama entered. That church at that time WAS Marxist. I made that clear in the first part.."The members there, at least when his mom and grandparents attended, supported Red China's (COMMUNIST) entry in to the United Nations." They were active in protest and that was in their literature.
pat said:
Yes, many our our founders were Masons. Like many of our founders were Unitarians or Universalists. This is why we have such a strong and proud tradition of religious liberty and freedom in this country. Equating that tradition to cultists like Jim Jones or others of his ilk is a major stretch of imagination at best - and certainly spits in the face of what the founders of this country intended.
I said:
Our forefathers were members of the Masons. They are tolerant of all free thinking and fair to all religions. So with all the present day Jim Jones' and the Rev. Wrights in the world that bastardize streamline religions, and the huge movement against the Vietnam War and it stands to reason that these people created their OWN basis of faith and activism.
---I clearly stated these people bastardized the Unitarian religion in their church just like Jim Jones and Wright did to theirs. Don't twist my words and intent. Yes, mainline, not streamline. I can accept a 'valid' correction.
pat said:
Finally I will also point out that disagreement - or even simply pointing out the facts of something, isn't telling someone to when not "to speak or about what". Nor is it bullying. Based on what you've said, I'm forced to conclude I may be better informed about several topics than you may be.
I say:
What you've done is take what I've said out of context and created your own to deliberately misrepresent me completely. On top of a baseless attack that was immature and obviously intended to misrepresent me by pretending to mock me seeing how you chose not to include my post in it's entirety. More informed or intention to misinform? Dancing around a straight forward precise comment with extra trivia to create an arguement to pretend you're right, doesn't qualify as healthy debate. It's contentious gainsay to entertain yourself. You've just sealed your reputation on here. We can all read. It doesn't mean you're a genious. Everyone has an equalizer. I'm sure you've never set a 10 carat diamond and I'm reasonable enough to know it doesn't matter.
Koyaan
Talking politics on-line for 25 years now? You must've been there w/Al when he invented it. Oh, and Pres Truman when he gave an interview on national TV about the Great Depression.
Granted there were packet switching networks, but I doubt that you were apart of those.
Just to let you guys know the first part of Berg's interview with Fox News Toledo, Ohio is here: http://www.myfoxtoledo.com/myfox/pages/News/Politics?pageId=3.14
If I understand correctly there will be more available at around 10pm eastern time tonight.
There is something wrong with Koyaan!!! I mean that, PatGund is a close second! Anyone that could spend that much time, to such a fanatical extreme degree, whether or not it's their job, even more so if it is not their job, as Koyaan claims, has something pyschologically wrong with them. THAT BEHAVIOR JUST ISN'T NORMAL!!!
POSTED BY: George
anonymous wrote:
Talking politics on-line for 25 years now? You must've been there w/Al when he invented it.
...
Granted there were packet switching networks, but I doubt that you were apart of those.
I first began discussing politics (and audio) online back in the early-mid 80s.
From the Usenet newsgroups via a UNIX shell account, to computer bulletin board systems (many of which had their own versions of Usenet such as FidoNet), to national online services such as CompuServe, America Online, and GEnie.
"Online" began well before the Internet became public.
Oh, and Pres Truman when he gave an interview on national TV about the Great Depression.
C'mon. Get it right. Biden's gaffe was that FDR went on national television, not Truman.
k
Koyaan has the same style writing as a blogger calling
himself Steve, signed "SE".
I've seen it on obamacrimes and a few other websites. Dan
patgund wrote:
koyaan - Hey, if they have to file ANYWAY to run, might as well include this to refuse future Bergs and Robinsons.
But candidates DON'T file with the FEC "to run." They only report their campaign financing to the FEC.
Technically, you don't have to file with ANYONE to run. Now, if you want to get on a state's ballot, then you have to file with the appropriate state entities.
But again, that's entirely a state issue and the federal government has no say in that process.
k
GEORGE wrote:
Here's a posting that I posted in response to some garbabge Koyaan had writen in another article. Koyaan never responded -- HE HAD TO SHUT HIS MOUTH.
No, I didn't have to shut my mouth. I simply lost track of that discussion. Blogs are rather poorly suited for discussions among readers.
I do not believe YOUR interpretation of a supposed mechanism already existing to deal with the subject matter of the Berg lawsuit is correct. As a matter of fact, I believe that this is one of those areas in the Constitution which would require interpretation by the Courts in conjunction with relevant statutes, provisions, and case law.
Of course you're perfectly free to believe what you wish.
However you may wish to give some consideration to the motion to dismiss filed on behalf of John McCain and the RNC in Robinson v. Bowen:
Robinson v. Bowen
Read from page 6 at paragraph 14 to page 8 at paragraph 22.
Let me know what your thoughts are.
k
Dan wrote:
Koyaan has the same style writing as a blogger calling himself Steve, signed "SE". I've seen it on obamacrimes and a few other websites.
Yes, that's me (Steve Eddy, hence "se").
I was going to register as "se" here, but when I went to sign up, it said there was already an account registered to my EMail address.
I'd previously registered with Google (which owns Blogger) as Koyaan a couple years ago when I was looking at creating a Google Group for an audio-related venture.
I hadn't used the account since then and had forgotten about it. And instead of creating a new one, I just decided to use the one I'd already created.
k
Online did infact begin before it became public, but as the Internet was initially funded by the government, it was originally limited to research, education, and government uses. Commercial uses were prohibited unless they directly served the goals of research and education. In 1986, the National Science Foundation funded NSFNet as a cross country 56 Kbps backbone for the Internet. They maintained their sponsorship for nearly a decade, setting rules for its non-commercial government and research uses. The policy or commercial use prohibition continued well into the 90's. Companies and universities did set up mail serices in the early '80s, but I doubt you were a part of this. Also, I know full well what Biden's gaffe was. I was further changing his quote since he seems to throw obscure "facts" out there that he can't back up, just like you like to do. I suspect that 25 years was a slip on your part relating to your age and therefore a great indicator of why you are an Obama supporter and have so much time on your hands to stalk the pro McCain blogs.
Inter net info courtesy of http://www.walthowe.com/navnet/history.html
koyann, I see what you're saying but my answer is, no I don't. We've sold out for sure! You're talking dollars but I'm voicing disgust for people who use the protection of this country's constitution to take up allegiance with other governments that threaten us.
here is the rest of the interview done by Fox News Toledo, Ohio there is some good stuff here:
http://www.myfoxtoledo.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7637919&version=1&locale=EN-US
anonymous wrote:
Online did infact begin before it became public, but as the Internet was initially funded by the government, it was originally limited to research, education, and government uses. Commercial uses were prohibited unless they directly served the goals of research and education. In 1986, the National Science Foundation funded NSFNet as a cross country 56 Kbps backbone for the Internet. They maintained their sponsorship for nearly a decade, setting rules for its non-commercial government and research uses. The policy or commercial use prohibition continued well into the 90's. Companies and universities did set up mail serices in the early '80s, but I doubt you were a part of this.
Dude, you clearly don't have even the FOGGIEST idea what "online" means.
Again, you keep assuming that "online" is synonymous with the Internet. It's not.
Usenet was available to anyone with a UNIX system, a modem and a phone line. It had absolutely specifically to do NSFNet or ARPANet, or the Internet.
Usenet was fundamentally no different than FidoNet that was popular on computer bulletin board systems at the time.
The large national online services such as CompuServe, built their own networks to provide services to their customers.
You're utterly clueless. Here, do a little research and educate yourself:
Usenet
FidoNet
Bulleting Board System (BBS)
CompuServe
I suspect that 25 years was a slip on your part relating to your age and therefore a great indicator of why you are an Obama supporter and have so much time on your hands to stalk the pro McCain blogs.
I'll forgive you that comment owing to your ignorance of the history of online telecommunications.
Inter net info courtesy of http://www.walthowe.com/navnet/history.html
As they say, a little knowledge is dangerous.
The only online experience you've ever known or experienced has been the Internet so you erroneously assume that history of online telecommunications is only the history of the Internet. And then you go on to make a fool of yourself.
"Dude", you totally give your age away by using that word. No self respecting adult with a life in their 30' o r 40's uses the word "dude" and by the way, I'm no dude. I was using the programs you speak of in the work place in the late '80s early '90s so thanks for trying to "educate" me, but I don't need the type of education you left wing commies want to impose upon the USofA.
George - "There is something wrong with Koyaan!!! I mean that, PatGund is a close second! Anyone that could spend that much time, to such a fanatical extreme degree, whether or not it's their job, even more so if it is not their job, as Koyaan claims, has something pyschologically wrong with them. THAT BEHAVIOR JUST ISN'T NORMAL!!! "
This argument would have more credit - if it wasn't for the fact that I see people on the other side of the issue spending as much or more time on such matters.
Heck, I see people spending more time, effort, and money on "fantasy football" and "fantasy baseball", which is an activity with absolutely zero real-life impact. At least politics has some real-life value to it.
Anonymous -
I'm in my early 40's, an IT professional, and used BBS's, FidoNet, OneNet, etc., from early on. Still have my Kaypro 10 somewhere. Also have a family and career. So I'm very much a self-respecting adult.
Dude.
anonymous wrote:
"Dude", you totally give your age away by using that word. No self respecting adult with a life in their 30' o r 40's uses the word "dude" and by the way, I'm no dude.
I only use "dude" when I'm addressing someone who doesn't appear to be any brighter than Jeff Spicoli.
I was using the programs you speak of in the work place in the late '80s early '90s...
It's rather obvious you weren't or you wouldn't have said what you did previously.
Later, dude.
k
koyaan: I'm sure you'll respond again because you just have to have the last word. Fine. Go for it big boy. I'm too tired and have too many other things going to sit and have an online argument with someone who fills their head with such brainless films as "Fast Times at Ridgemont High". I'm sure your left wing nut job hero Sean Penn would be honored at the mention of his work.
hi
thank you for bringing light to uncertin for the place of birth of B.Obama.
I'm starting to think he was not born here in US at all.
i hope the judge will rule on it soon..
"online BC" is full of holes
where the vault one?
if the vault one doesn't exist that would be a BIG ONE
Do you know what happens if Obama is elected on the 4th and before Jan 20th the court he is uneligiable to be the president?
i'm 100% positive that most of these comments are fake and added daily by spammers of the GOP.
don't listen to this ridiculous video on Obama, democrats. it is fear mongering at its most silly.
Hey Guys,
Fox News is reporting Obama will be in Hawaii on Thursday and Friday because his grandma is "ill" She was released from the hospital a over week ago. its very strange to me that suddenly he decided to go to Hawaii to be on her side.. hmmm maybe he will try to locate his "real" BC... I don't know..
what do u think?
"DO NOT CALL THE COURTHOUSE! ... do NOT want to see these people pestered. Is that clear?"
I appreciate your website, but do not appreciate you telling me what I can do, and whether it's clear to me what you're saying. Get over yourself!
BTW, I have no intention of contacting the courthouse, but am completely turned off by your arrogant and condescending tone. I repeat, get over yourself!!
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