Lawsuit Against Obama Dismissed from Philadelphia Federal Court

The order and memorandum came down at approximately 6:15 p.m. on Friday. Philip Berg's lawsuit challenging Illinois Sen. Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility to serve as president of the United States had been dismissed by the Hon. R. Barclay Surrick on grounds that the Philadelphia attorney and former Deputy Attorney General for the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania lacked standing.
Surrick, it seemed, was not satisfied with the nature of evidence provided by Berg to support his allegations.
Various accounts, details and ambiguities from Obama’s childhood form the basis of Plaintiff’s allegation that Obama is not a natural born citizen of the United States. To support his contention, Plaintiff cites sources as varied as the Rainbow Edition News Letter … and the television news tabloid Inside Edition. These sources and others lead Plaintiff to conclude that Obama is either a citizen of his father’s native Kenya, by birth there or through operation of U.S. law; or that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia by relinquishing his prior citizenship (American or Kenyan) when he moved there with his mother in 1967. Either way, in Plaintiff’s opinion, Obama does not have the requisite qualifications for the Presidency that the Natural Born Citizen Clause mandates. The Amended Complaint alleges that Obama has actively covered up this information and that the other named Defendants are complicit in Obama’s cover-up.A judge’s attitude toward the factual foundation of a plaintiff’s claims is an essential factor in understanding just who indeed has standing to sue. The question running to the heart of the standing doctrine is whether or not the plaintiff indeed has a personal stake in the outcome of the otherwise justiciable matter being adjudicated. As has been discussed before many times here at America’s Right, a plaintiff wishing to have standing to sue must show (1) a particularized injury-in-fact, (2) evidence showing that that the party being sued actually caused the plaintiff’s particularized injury-in-fact, and (3) that adjudication of the matter would actually provide redress.
In this case, Judge Surrick’s attitude toward the evidence presented by Berg to support his allegations figures in heavily because, while there is a three-pronged test to standing in itself, there is no definitive test by which the court can determine whether a certain harm is enough to satisfy the first element of that three-pronged test by showing true injury-in-fact. Traditionally, it hasn’t taken much to satisfy the need for an injury-in-fact, but as the plaintiff’s claimed injury is perceived as being more remote, more creative, or more speculative, the injury-in-fact requirement becomes more difficult to satisfy.
As it were, much of Berg’s basis for injury-in-fact could be considered threatened injury–he felt that the country was at risk for “voter disenfranchisement” and that America was certainly headed for a “constitutional crisis”—and, while threatened injury can certainly be injury enough to satisfy the injury-in-fact element, such satisfaction depends upon the threat being perceived by the judge as being not too creative, speculative or remote.When it came to Philip Berg’s personal stake in the matter at hand, Surrick compared his action with those of Fred Hollander—the man who, earlier this year, sued Sen. John McCain in New Hampshire on grounds that, born in the Panama Canal Zone, he was not a natural born citizen—and held that Berg’s stake “is no greater and his status no more differentiated than that of millions of other voters.” The harm cited by Berg, Surrick wrote, “is too vague and its effects too attenuated to confer standing on any and all voters.”
So, who does have standing? According to the Hon. R. Barclay Surrick, that's completely up to Congress to decide.
If, through the political process, Congress determines that citizens, voters, or party members should police the Constitution’s eligibility requirements for the Presidency, then it is free to pass laws conferring standing on individuals like Plaintiff. Until that time, voters do not have standing to bring the sort of challenge that Plaintiff attempts to bring in the Amended Complaint.Judge the 34-page memorandum. In one such instance, Surrick noted that Berg had misinterpreted the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure in asking the court to permit him to amend his complaint. The first amended complaint was deemed admitted by Judge Surrick on grounds that, under FRCP 15(a), a party can amend once so long as it’s done before being served with a responsive pleading and that [just as I had not-so-confidently suggested] the motion to dismiss filed on Sept. 24 by Obama and the DNC was not a responsive pleading. Because Berg perceived the motion to dismiss as a responsive pleading and was waiting on the court to grant or deny the motion for leave to amend, he did not serve the additional defendants added in the amended complaint. This, too, was noted by Surrick.
Berg’s attempts to distinguish his own case from Hollander were deemed by Surrick to be “[h]is most reasonable arguments,” but his arguments citing statutory authority were said by the judge to be a venture “into the unreasonable” and were “frivolous and not worthy of discussion.” All in all, the judge wrote, it was the satisfaction of the injury-in-fact requirement which was the problem. Berg’s harm was simply too intangible.
…regardless of questions of causation, the grievance remains too generalized to establish the existence of an injury in fact. To reiterate: a candidate’s ineligibility under the Natural Born Citizen Clause does not result in an injury in fact to voters. By extension, the theoretical constitutional harm experienced by voters does not change as the candidacy of an allegedly ineligible candidate progresses from the primaries to the general election.Intangible or not, Berg said, we have a case where "an American citizen is asking questions of a presidential candidate's eligibility to even hold that office in the first place, and the candidate is ducking and dodging questions through legal procedure."
In fact, the motion to dismiss and motion for protective order filed by Barack Obama and the DNC were not only proper but also an expected maneuver by the defense attorneys. The very idea behind such motions is to foster the adjudication of the matter with minimal damage to the named defendants, and both are measures used more often than not. Still, Berg believes there is more to it.
"While the procedural evasions may be proper," Berg said, "it only makes me believe more that we were correct in the first place, that Obama does not have the documentation we've requested."
While the evidence presented by Berg was largely circumstantial, the attorney says that he is learning more about this narrative--and about the Democratic Party nominee for president--with each passing day. For example, regardless of whether it could be attached to the proceeding as it goes through the appellate process, Berg said, he is in possession of a native-language audiotape of Sarah Obama, Barack Obama's paternal grandmother, stating on the day of the last presidential debate that her famous grandson was indeed born in Kenya, and that she was present in the hospital for his birth."The tape is in the native language there," Berg said. "I will release it as soon as translation is confirmed by affidavit, and we are waiting on affidavits from contacts over here and in Kenya."
Berg, nonetheless, is disappointed by Surrick's decision and will issue a press release today detailing his plans to appeal to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals and then to the United States Supreme Court.
"This is a question of who has standing to stand up for our Constitution," Berg said. "If I don't have standing, if you don't have standing, if your neighbor doesn't have standing to ask whether or not the likely next president of the United States--the most powerful man in the entire world--is eligible to be in that office in the first place, then who does?"
For a full-text copy of the order and memorandum, click HERE.


308 comments:
1) Vote.
2) Should Obama win the election, present an objection in some manner to Congress on Jan. 6th, 2009, when it approves the Electoral College results.
Thanks for clearing this up Jeff.
Have you seen the following treatise from the Michigan law review?
http://www.michiganlawreview.org/firstimpressions/vol107/tokaji.pdf
It seems to be suggesting that actions filed in state courts would fare better than those in federal courts.
So, On a constitutional matter, in which the political parties in congress refuse to police themselves or introduce standardized vetting procedures, the judiciary decides to respect congressional autonomy.
But if it's abortion or gay marriage, the courts take it upon themselves to overturn the will of the people.
And so it goes ...
Jeff,
Do you think now that Grandma's audio tape is around Berg has a better chance in appealing?
So, who does have standing?
Arguably, any of Obama's Democratic primary challenges, and perhaps any of the final nominees for President. If he's ineligible but deprives the former of the nomination or the latter of the Preisdency, that's injury-in-fact. If Berg's claims were even remotely credibile, I think one of the more adventurous candidates - Gravel, Barr, etc. - would have tried to bring a case. Hell, at this stage, McCain would have leapt on the case like a bat out of hell.
Berg's question remains: Who has standing [to ask re: POTUS eligibility]?
Constitutional Crisis Time!!
Jeff - on the issue of standing, as a Hillary Clinton supporter, Berg has likely contributed both time and treasure to her campaign. Both his time and treasure are now forfeit, due to the fraudulent actions of both Barack Obama and the DNC. You now have: (From the FEC motion)
(1) an injury-in-fact, (2) a causal connection between the injury and the challenged conduct of the defendant (traceability), and (3) a likelihood that the injury will be redressed by a favorable decision of the court ...
Doesn't this give any Hillary contributor, including Berg, standing?
Jeff, The people that have been charged on their credit cards for donations by the Obama campaign without their knowledge or permission have injury. Maybe Phil can contact these people and add them to the lawsuit.
Everybody, vote.
lol, butthurt troofer time now
I'm disappointed we won't see the "shoebox" copy of the birth certificate, instead of the doctored one.
Well thanks to Judge Surrick, there is a distinct possibility that we will have an Indonesian citizen as POTUS.
Well, I am extremely dissapointed, but not surprised. Our judicial system has been colapsing at an alarming rate. Just another "Radical Judge" who does not adhere to the Constitution, but rather his own ajenda. It is obvious that this judge is an Obama supported and does not want this to stand in the way of his presidency.There must be something the American people can do!
Why couldn't he have done this weeks ago? He was intentionally running the clock to forestall an appeal. Surrick is trying to SELECT the president.
Surrick has just told us that there is no way to uphold the Constitution short of allowing a constitutional crisis to arise.
Rather than order Obama to satisfy the requirements of the Constitution, Surrick will allow the possibility of his election, months (if not years) of litigation and fortunes spent on legal fees.
It could have been so simple.
Very disappointed in the judges lack of concern for our constitutional rights. I'm still praying hard that Berg will prevail with his appeal or the u.s.supreme court appeal. reminds me of what happened in 1948 with henry wallace running as a communist for our presidency. history has a way of repeating itself. Gods speed Mr.Berg.
Will you please release the tape you have (grandma saying she was in the delivery room when Barack was born in Kenya)? I think now is as good as time as ever.
So is the judge saying that although Article II has been part of the congress since inception, that because congress has not passed a law granting standing, that no-one may use the courts to prevent an illegal president?
GOD is bigger than Judge Surrick and all his decisions. HE can & will change things in the blink of an eye. We'll continue to pray for HIS truth to be revealed and that all parties do the WILL of the FATHER in all things. Everybody keep praying.
Thank you Jeff for all you are doing and am sorry that Auburn took another hit this week. We shall see how Bama does with TN.
God bless.
Kathy
It appears this entire issue will be resolved after the November 4th Election for president. The Democrat controlled congress will surely play politics with this one.
I am sure Obama's sudden trip to Hawaii was to cover any holes in his lies with his grandmother.
Let's see how mainstream media reports this dismissal.
Get ready for a real battle on the interpretation of the U. S. Constitution bu Congress.
I can see why the judge would determine Berg’s lack of standing, per this take-away paragraph:
If, through the political process, Congress determines that citizens, voters, or party members should police the Constitution’s eligibility requirements for the Presidency, then it is free to pass laws conferring standing on individuals like Plaintiff. Until that time, voters do not have standing to bring the sort of challenge that Plaintiff attempts to bring in the Amended Complaint.
In other words, what the judge is saying is that there is no mechanism [yet] by which a citizen, voter or anyone else can directly challenge a presidential candidate’s eligibility; this is a responsibility that is currently left up to the Legislative branch, i.e.: Congress.
I actually agree with this, and believe that for the judge to have ruled otherwise would constitute “legislating from the bench,” regardless of how beneficial such “legislation” would be. Previously, back in the 1800’s, my understanding is that Martin van Buren was challenged on his eligibility for POTUS because he was apparently born in a US territory. Obviously, he prevailed.
Berg is planning on appealing to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals and then, if necessary, to the SCOTUS. While Berg has every right to pursue this course of action, I think he would be better served — and may be doing this anyway — helping other citizens across the several States in bringing up suits against respective SOSs to determine eligibility.
How would this be better? A few reasons:
* Each State’s Secretary of State’s role is to specifically confirm the eligibility of all candidates for all offices
* Since the US doesn’t have federal elections in the truest sense of the word (the US has a “national” election in which all States happen to vote on the same date), one could theoretically push this concept forward with less encumbrances at the State level
* Each State has its own laws in how the SOS is to be held accountable, so, in theory, it may be better defined exactly how to challenge a respective SOS
Lawsuits in the several States would probably do well to only go after the SOS and not Obama/DNC directly, as the real issue is eligibility and not one of political expediency
Nevertheless, the election isn’t over yet. I really don’t think that this issue is going to be resolved (as much as it’s a fascinating issue to observe) by November 4, 2008.
-Phil
http://www.therightsideoflife.com
Disgusted. Absolutely disgusted. Go Mr. Berg, go to the Supreme Court. You probably won't win but maybe you'll get some MSM attention. Maybe citizens will be just a little concerned as to why Obama refused to present the vault copy of his BC.
Absolute FRAUD.
Thanks Jeff.
The order came down at 6:15pm, after my contacts at the courthouse had gone home.
I don't like getting scooped!
So, now that I can share -- the news I had from last week was that the judge was on his 13th revision, something that I took as either (1) he was coming down for Berg, because tossing the case would not take 13 revisions, or (2) that he was being extra careful to ensure that he wasn't overturned.
Contrary to common sense, I thought it was the first one.
Not so much.
Hinkelman, from the Daily News, beat me to the punch on publishing this. He's a great guy, and I wouldn't mind so much if he had presented his account of the dismissal in a little more fair in writing the piece. (Though the order itself wasn't very kind to Berg)
So does that mean Arnold can run for President?
Are we going to have to wait until Monday Morning before we can read the Judge's decision? Is it linked somewhere now?
Shouldn't the plaintiff here really be the United States of America (the government) or at least the individual states? Who, if anyone, is duty-bound to bring this case? The Attorney General, congress? I don't understand why the judge doesn't feel Berg has been injured, particularly if he showed that he had put time and money behind another legitimate candidate?
Interesting. First obama makes a suspicious one day trip to Hawaii, then this alleged unbiased judge dismisses the lawsuit. Intimidation or a payoff?
Presidential Eligibility was put in it for a reason: To be enforced!
Was it added to the Constitution to not be enforced? NO.
Therefore because no particular body is specified to enforce the presidential eligibility, but because it is supposed to be enforced, this actually implies that ANY American should be able to challenge and should have standing even if it's just to maintain the integrity of their own rights, NOT that nobody can challenge, otherwise they would not of added it to the Constitution at all.
???
Those who have took an oath to UPHOLD the Constitution should do so.
Did Senator Obama not take an oath to UPHOLD the Constitution?
From the time he started his run for the presidency up until now, has the defendants taken the necessary actions to UPHOLD the Constitution?
Is the Constitution's integrity being damage by this?
If the integrity of the Constitution is damaged, IS that UPHOLDING the Constitution?
The whole country should be up in arms over this.
Jeff, Are you saying you think there is no chance this will be overturned?
Two questions:
1) My understanding is that if members of Congress choose to do so, they could file a written challenge to the eligibility of President-elect Obama at the time Congress convenes to count the electoral votes, and it would fall squarely in the lap of Nancy Pelosi, as Speaker, to to ensure that the President Elect can effectively be sworn in and legally assume the office and duties of the President. Is this true? Is there any way we ordinary voters can prevail upon our representatives to file a challenge? Or will they be too gutless?
2) Are you telling us that anybody can announce their candidacy for POTUS and NOBODY is responsible for checking that they are in fact a natural born citizen?! Seems unreal.
This is utterly ridicolous. The Constitution is no longer about "we the people" but "we in power." This ludicrous rule that you have to have standing needs to be thrown out. It does nothing but destroy our Constitution. My gut feeling is that Obama's cronies now includes Judge Surrick.
This decision is not a surprise - though disappointing. I read through Berg's filings (and the other files attached to the case) and found his case was not well put together. He needed real hard evidence such as a birth certificate from Kenya or airplane records of Obama's mother's arrival/departure from Kenya. I think something is up with Obama's citizenship (especially travel on an Indonesian Passport), but maybe we won't ever know. If Obama is elected I think all ends will be tied on this issue. The question that remains is this: Why can't Obama just produce a REAL certificate of live birth.
That's a damn shame.
Beginning to feel like a banana republic here.
Shame on the Judge!!!
Mr. Schreiber:
I thought that the judge ordered BHO to provide his birth certificate and that he refused. What impact would this have on any lawsuits brought up in state courts? Would this ruling set a precedent?
Jeff from Thailand
and held that Berg’s stake “is no greater and his status no more differentiated than that of millions of other voters.” The harm cited by Berg, Surrick wrote, “is too vague and its effects too attenuated to confer standing on any and all voters.”
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There will be no vague consequence to these disenfranchised voters when the dismantling this nation is entered into in earnest. Did you hear yesterday how the congress is considering the seizure of 401Ks, and sweeping them into a government retirement fund?
Obama promised: Indeed, CHANGE is about to overwhelm the United States of America.
I'm very disappointed!!
It is now up to the American people to make sure this guy doesn't get elected POTUS, so please VOTE. Talk to your friends, family members and neighbors and explain to them the importance of keeping this guy away from the White House. Some people are going to complain that they don't have time to register , others that they have no way of getting there, they'll say anything to keep them away from VOTING because they no longer have faith in government. So, it's time to set up drives around your neighborhoods to get your message out there. Those of you with cars might be interested in helping those that don't have a means of transportation to get there.
Have a little faith in Sara Palin, this gal is a lot smarter than MSM wants to make you believe. She and McCain have your best interest at heart and they fill fight to get America back to the top!!
As a Mexican who got to experience the American dream a few years back, I KNOW AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN AND WILL DO EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO GET THEIR COUNTRY BACK FROM THE GREEDY PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON. PLEASE VOTE!!
And for those of you who speak Spanish, reach out to those immigrants who can now vote.
God Bless!!
Jeff,
First, thank you for your intelligent commentary on this most important constitutional crisis.
Here's a few thoughts. I am distressed with the judge's position on who has standing.
1. Does not any person who ever took an oath to "Support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic" have standing? I took that oath as a military officer and I would assume that Berg is one of those as well. Or was that in Baracko's words--"just words"?
2. I am appalled that Judge Surrick would play legal manipulation over the sanctity of the Constitution of the U.S.! His opinion blatantly displays a higher regard for politics than for justice. Does Judge Surrick deny standing to those who would uphold the Constitution in favor of those who would wish to overthrow it?
3. I read somewhere in the Obamacrimes blog that President Bush established a transition team for both camps to transfer information, process clearances, and otherwise provide for a smooth transition. In the processing of those clearances, etc., would not Barack Obama be required to produce documentation, ie BIRTH CERTIFICATE for that process? In failing to produce, could not Bush as the Chief Executive block Obama because of his CONSTITUTIONAL INELIGIBILITY and then let the Supreme Court resolve the ensuing food fight? Bush has been one to do the right thing even when it was not the popular thing. And he does not seem to worry about his popularity.
4. Let the Balance of Powers concept work. Judge Surrick showed political bias in stating that determination of eligibility rested entirely with the Congress. As I see the Constitution, the President is empowered as the chief law enforcement officer bound to uphold the Constitution. The Supreme Court, which was called to make determinations in the 2002 election, is charged to interpret the laws according to the Constitution. And Congress has the authority to amend the Constitution only after ratification of the States. Or did I miss the death notice of the Constitution of the United States, the anarchy championed by the likes of terrorist William Ayers and his ilk?
It appears that Voters have NO rights.
The Gov't can lie cheat steal and subvert the Constitution.
Today I learned that I'm a man without standing in my own country.
The state suits should have been filed months ago. None of them will be adjudicated before the election. However, one doesn't have to be adjudicated, just get to discovery and get the bc out before the election. So there's still a chance. Also, if the Berg case makes it to scotus, as I understand it they can employ some different reasoning from the lower court and while they may not overrule him in the sense of saying he was wrong, they can still decide there is a compelling reason to see the bc - before the election.
All that said, I think we are going to have to beat Obama at the polls, let's focus on that!
So if voters & citizens don't have standing to challenge this does Hillary Clinton have standing, or even John McCain?
The judge wrote, "If, through the political process, Congress determines that citizens, voters, or party members should police the Constitution’s eligibility requirements for the Presidency, then it is free to pass laws conferring standing on individuals like Plaintiff. Until that time, voters do not have standing to bring the sort of challenge that Plaintiff attempts to bring in the Amended Complaint."
Question: The Constitution does not specify who exactly has standing to question the eligibility of a candidate - in any Article/Section. The judge here implies that if the Constitution does not specify who has standing that there is an automatic default that falls only on congress, and not on the Voters. On what grounds, or from what source does the judge draw this narrow conclusion that the congress by default could only have standing? If there is no source, is this act a legislation from the bench?
Jeff,
What is your opinion as to the other various state level lawsuits that are still active?
How do these possibly offer other avenues to actually enforcing the constitution, as opposed to the Berg suit which was ruled primarily on "standing"?
Judge Surrick called Berg's so-called evidence "ridiculous" and "patently false". The State of Hawaii and factcheck.org, plus the wildly right-wing World Net Daily all validated the authenticity of the birth certificate that has been produced. The State Dept. verifies all candidates when they run for the Senate.
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/
It is high time that Americans take back their country. Watching Congress, Obama, Judges with cases of voting, Judges with cases like this one. Joe the plumber trying to be destroyed from freedom of speech! Whats next????????????? I think we all know the answer to that. In being an undeceided voter a woman asked me the other day, she heard that I needed a baby sitter for my family, she knew someone but that they had ran with some bad people and she did not know very much about this person and I told her I had reservations about such a person. She then stated she did not understand why I would vote for a man that has been associating with terrible people since he would be actually be taking care of my family and our furture. TOO-SHAE!!!!!! MCCAIN/PALIN WILL BE MY CHOICE FOR A VOTE. I will not let this man have control over my family!!!!!! Americans need to think about this before voting. Ask your self would you let your family be taken care of by someone with his background, because this is exactally what he will be doing!!!!! Since this perspective has hit me over the head, I think of what this country is now heading for. The economy is the least of our worries at this point. Vote Obama in and I fear you wont have to worry about the economy you will be worried about your NATIONAL SECURITY! WHAT IF ALL THIS IS A WARING AND HE GETS HIS HANDS ON OUR SECURITY SECRETS THERE WILL BE NO STOPPING HIM. And I dont buy this caring about his grandmother since reading what he thought about her in his book!
A silver lining exists on this very troubling election cloud.
The honorable Judge Surrick clarified for all of us - there is NO existing entity/individual/political position which possesses 'legal standing' & the power to challenge any political/presidential candidates eligibility.
A procedural vaccuum of this scope within our nations constitutional checks and balances must be immediately addressed in the courts to prevent this ever becoming a potential issue again.
Jeff, I've been reading your posts for over a month now and want to express my thanks for all your heavy lifting.
BTW, video of Barry's Kenyan step-grandmother being interviewed exists online. Sarah Onyango Obama via Journeyman Pictures, "Obama's Kenyan Roots"
I've downloaded a copy for posterity should it suddenly disappear.
Barack Obama's natural paternal grandmother, Akumu Habiba is not in the public eye - she left Baracks grandfather and moved to another part of Kenya when Barack Sr. was less than nine years old.
The UK Guardian provides this information via video (which includes another voice print for momma Sarah):
They had two daughters and a son, Barack Obama Sr. But Hussein's harsh, even abusive, manner - his grandchildren would later refer to him only half jokingly as "the Terror" - and his constant demands for a spotless house, drove Akumu to leave. Mama Sarah, Hussein's third wife and decades his junior, raised Akumu's children alongside her own. By then, Barack Obama Sr was nine, and already showing the same stubborn, independent streak.
this is enough for anyone who was supporting him besides shis family and paid staff to walk out the door.
obama is a undeniable fraud.
where is his birth certificate?
if he was bold enough to put it up on his website where the whole world has already seen it then what is the problem with producing the physical copy?
there could only be one answer: he doesnt have one. he manipulated the image for cyber viewing only but it is not tangible.
this is a disgrace.
Is there a payoff to this Judge, because apparently Michelley asked for money because they are going BROKE????
As Tom Cruise says.."Show me the Money". Or in other words, lets follow the money trail.
Where is Georgie Soros in this case. Check for his fingerprints.
Hi Jeff, I came across your site after receiving an email from a listener on your Berg Lawsuit dismissal article, through it I was able to inform my listeners and readers of the dismissal. Thanks I have a question you may be able to answer: If Obama becomes President and it is then discovered that he did not meet the constitutional criteria, would congress be required to impeach him and install Biden as the President or would it have to be demanded by the citizenry. I know it would defintely be an impeachable offense if the issue was raised, but does it have to be raised after all it would be in direct violation of the US consitution and should be deemed unconstitutional. Again, great stuff, I have put you site into my favorites. Thanks,Jay
It ain't over 'yet'...
There's to much to this story that won't die anytime soon, especially with Obama's Kenyan Grandmother says "publicly" that she was "present when Obama was born IN Kenya"...
Hellfire and bloody damnation.
Folks, we have no rights.
If we have no right to challenge the qualifications of a candidate for President....
This makes me sick.
Now yes, there is a constitutional crisis. May God protect the US.
St. Augustine, pray for us.
If I have this right, McCain produced his birth cert. in the Hollander vs. McCain case. Why did Obama not produce his?
Come to think of it? What's keeping Chavez or Putin from running in 2012? Or, some successful youngster like Michael Phelps? After all, if natural born citizenship is not really necessary as we're finding out, who then really cares about 35 years of age or living in the US for 14 years? Shoot, with these flexible standards Hugo or Vladimir just have to finagle this citizenship thing, and since NO ONE has any standing, what's to say they even need that?
The major parties are responsible to qualify their candidates. We know the DNC response. Where's the RNC on this? Out to lunch? Nothing to say? Absolutely amazing! I guess they expect us common folk out here to stand in the gap.
Jeff,
I know you are busy... but I've asked this multiple times with no response...
HAS BERG MENTIONED THE STATUS OF THE MICHELLE OBAMA AUDIO? IF NOT, WOULD YOU MIND CONTACTING HIM FOR AN UPDATE?
Thank you!
Seems that the RNC would have standings, but they are pu$$ies of standing up to anyone on the left.
I spoke with Berg on the phone last Saturday and advised him on how to proceed if an adverse ruling on standing came down (which I expected). The 20th amendment to the constitution, section 3, describes when qualification occurs (my emphasis).
3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
If Obama wins the election and becomes "president-elect" then every citizen in the United States has a constitutional right to see the qualification; 35 years of age, resident of the US 14 years, natural born citizen. You don't need specific damages in constitutional rights being deprived. If your freedom of speech or religion is abridged you don't need to be damaged in any other way. All US citizens have a constitutional right to see the "president-elect" qualified. Failure to perform the qualification of the president-elect, which is by law the responsibility of congress, is an infringement of a constitutional right bestowed on all citizens by the 20th amendment.
Can Arnold run now? Don't stop there. Why not Putin or Chavez, or the younger Michael Phelps? Since we're not going to honor the requirement of natural born citizenship, why not just ignore 35 years of age, 14 years residency, and citizenship altogether? Just pick and choose. Absolutely amazing. No controlling legal authority...heard that one before!
I agree that we as individual citizens do not have the right to personally request this information. Although I fully believe his eligibility does need to be validated.
Jeff, In the world of legal semantics under what other grounds could this issue be pursued by an average citizen where standing does not remain questionable?
Rather then complaining/debating whether the judge's ruling was right or night. Collectively we should focus on what else can be done now.
Mr. Berg may or may not pursue his case further but the more angles we attack this probem the better chances we will have the truth will emerge.
I read that this judge was appointed to office By Bill Clinton when he was POTUS. Any weight to this?
As I expected.
No way that Judge Surrick would find for Berg and create a state of major civil unrest in America and a high risk of terrorist attacks.
Judge Surrick took the European approach to Islamic encroachment.
"I haven't got the guts to fight em, so I will find in their favor"
It wouldn't surprise me if Judge Surrick had been personally threatened by the Obama campor had his family personally threatened by the Obama camp.
So on Nov 5th America will have come far enough left to vote in its first Communist dictator.
United States President Hugo Chavez, coming your way in 2016.
Am I dilusional, or did I grow up believing that this great nation was actually governed by THE PEOPLE. If We The People have no standing, then the constitutional crisis has already occured and no one even knew.
It looks like we have to stand up against the tyranny and corruption that has usurped the government by propaganda and fraud. They should STOP the election until his real birth certificate is brought forth (just like all real USA citizens born here). We need to email, call, and text this information about Obama to everyone we know. Enough people start shouting, hopefully we won't need a revolution to take back this country.
Basically, what the judge has done is choose to punt.
His decision is founded upon two premises. #1, although he does not directly say so in such exact terms, what he is saying is that Obama has not yet been elected, so the Plaintiff has not yet been harmed in any way, which is correct.
The second issue, regarding standing is much more important, and we should all consider two facts when reviewing what the judge has done.
A) This case was never going to be decided at the District level, the lowest level of the Federal courts, this case was destined to go before the Supreme Court.
B) The Judge is a Republican, not a Democrat. While he was appointed under the final days of the Clinton administration, according to Berg while interviewed on the Michael Savage Show, this judge was nominated and approved for the bench with a bevy of other judges, where congressional leaders in both parties cut a deal to allow a few Republican judges to get through, in return for the Republicans dropping a filibuster on the long list of Democrat appointees for the bench.
On the surface, it appears what Judge Barclay Surrick has done is demonstrate unbridled hubris in basically saying that only a Congressional majority, in this case Congressional Democrats, have the authority and standing to challenge the eligibility of Barack Obama to be President of the United States.
Under the standard written by Judge Surrick, quite literally, the Democratic Party, so long as they hold a majority in Congress, could nominate Osama bin Laden as a candidate, and so long as he receives enough electoral votes, he would become President of the United States, in spite of what the Constitution says.
Maybe this ruling isn't what it appears to be; maybe Surrick has a different agenda in this ruling.
All of you constitutional conservatives out there who are right now raging over this ruling ought to consider that perhaps what Surrick is doing here is floating a hanging curveball right into the wheelhouse of Antonin Scalia, who isn't only going to knock it out of the park, he is going to put it into the upper deck.
Above statements about voting are accurate. The only means we have control over is whether we vote or not. Unfortunately states give all there electoral votes to the candidate that wins the popular vote in their state. Thus, Nobama wins the entire west coast, the great lakes region and the North East and can ignore the rest of the nation as he most likely will after being elected.
This is just another scam, however, maybe the best play would be wait until he's actually elected, if he is. In reading the constitution, it says one cannot hold office, it doesn't say anything about running for office. Once he's elected, if he is, then file the suit. Don't think for a minute the congress will get involved.
Very, very disappointing news, but not surprising.
So again I ask: can we file a class-action suit as disenfranchised voters? I'm another one of those who gave to the max for Hillary and feel that my investment was stolen. If my party is going to ramrod a fraud into office I ought to at least be entitled to an accounting and some sort of retribution. What is unresonable about asking for this individual's BC?
It is truly disgusting, as others have pointed out.
-Portia E
I have now been harmed by Surrick and the judicial process. Who can represent me against Surrick and the Court for punitive damages for emotional stress? How many days did it take him to rule against standing?
To quote Bugs Bunny, "what a maroooon."
Only Hillary Clinton and/or John McCain have standing. And as they are members of the club, it's never going to happen.
But don't worry---Obama, or whatever his name is, being President will not change your lives. This hysteria happens every election.
I'd like to see Hillary added to the lawsuit. She is the one affected most by BO pretending to be a citizen. She would be on the ballot right now if it wasn't for his lies.
I think the Judge knew all along how he was going to rule. He purposely stalled so it would be to late to do anything.
Per an API article, here’s as current a listing as may be found of which citizens in which States are engaging their respective Secretaries of State:
* (HI) Andy Martin at email: AndyMart20@aol.com
* (WA) Steve Marquis email: peoplesvoice@peoplespassions.org ; website: www.peoplespassion.org
* (CA) David Archbold email darchbo1@gmail.com
* (GA) Tom Terry email: kingdommatters@gmail.com
* (PA) Philip Berg email: philjberg@obamacrimes.com ; website: www.obamacrimes.com
* (NY) Dan Smith email: Dansmith1954@aol.com
* (CT) Cort Wrotnowski email: Metaqubit@aol.com
I’ve already contacted Tom Terry here in GA and have had a quick response, so these folks, above, are pretty hot to trot with all of this.
-Phil
http://www.therightsideoflife.com
I'm from Brazil and I could say this decision from Mr. Surrick turns the U.S a country so dishonest like mine.
Please, americans, dont't let Obama win this poll.
Sorry my poor english...
It's ironic that the judge criticizes Berg for using non-mainstream news sources for his information supporting his claims when part of the problem that got us to this point is that the msm has refused to do their job! It's like a sad catch 22.
I don't understand this idiotic "standing" issue. ALL of the people in the United States have standing on this. This is less about Obama and more about the integrity of the U.S. Constitution. We cannot and should not disregard the provisions of the Constitution. Doing so is very dangerous. It sets the precedent that when the Constitution stands in the way, we simply dismiss the problem and move on. The Constitution is the only thing standing between the government and the people. Without it, we will not be free. I am hoping that there is some legal way to continue this suit. Otherwise, if we find out that Obama is indeed ineligible after he is elected, that would be disastrous. The Democrats in Congress will trample the Constitution and find some stupid excuse to allow Obama to stay in office.
Even if you don't like McCain, make sure you vote for him. The alternative is too unbearable.
This is absolutely rediculous. If the Federal Election Commission won't check up on a candidates's eligibility, then who will? There is no current check against this, so naturally it should fall to the voters to uphold this. The only person who should be allowed to is the voter. Hopefully, Obama is found guilty once this is appealed because as citizens of the United States, for whom the Constitution is made, we have a duty to make sure that it is not violated. If no one will, then the government basically has a free check to do whatever. Saying he doesnt have standing is bullshit because by the judge's logic, no one does. Its a violation to the constitution, which as citizens we agreed to, so someone, whoever that may be, has to make sure it is upheld.
As I understand the law, it is possible for congress to retroactively change the citizen requirements. If that is true a Democratic majority in congress could change the law to make Obama a natural born citizen retroactively. Bush could veto this measure until January 20, but after that Biden could assume office for a short period of time to sign the bill. So much for the constitutional requirements even if proof is found to show that Obama was born in Kenya.
So if Obama were to become president and then found guilty, who would become president? I think it would be unfair for Biden to assume presidency for he was running under Obama's electoral votes, which should be void if he's unconstitutionally eligible. Would the presidency go to the second place candidate? Hopefully, McCain wins so none of this confusion comes about, but it's something to think about.
Someone here wrote October 25, 2008 12:19 PM that the time of qualification occurs after election.
I have to disagree. It appears in the 20th Amendment in the context of succession.
Clearly, the wording "eligible to the office of" in Article II, Section I, Paragraph 5 is referring to qualification, and even more clearly, it would seem, that nominees must also be "eligible to the office of" or they are not really nominees at all.
Unfortunately, this means if Obama is elected and IF congress actually does it's job (and what are the odds of that), we get President Biden.
[tinfoil-hat]I doubt people would have voted for Biden if he was at the top of the card, but maybe that was the DNC's plan all along.[/tinfoil-hat]
WHAT TROUBLES ME THE MOST about the appeal, is that Berg seems more focused on proving that individuals SHOULD have standing in such a case, than in actually enticing someone with standing to join him so he can successfully challenge Obama's eligibility.
Will someone talk with Berg and set him straight before he files his appeal?
I am not a lawyer and I don't play one on t.v. BUT here are some clarifying concepts that became clear during the 2008 "Chad" election.
The constitution has requirements about holding offices whose powers are established by that document, and about who has the right to vote--i.e., collectively grant that authority.
Congress enacted various election laws regarding how the elections are to be held and when they are to be held. All other rights belong to the states.
The states determine how the parties submit candidates for the ballot.
The states (I believe) have to certify that a candidate has won the electoral votes before the electors proceed to the electoral college and actually elect the president.
So, it appears that the constitutional crisis cannot occur unless and until someone is elected to an office that the constitution prevents them from holding.
Before the election, it appears that the issue should be addressed at the state level regarding the certification of the candidate on the ballot, and then the question about enforcement arises. The question about standing is whether any citizen has the right to force the SoS or Secretary in charge of elections to enforce the law. The answer I’ve been given is that this power rests with the Attorney General.
So, it would seem that the best strategy is to blanket the AG’s phone lines and email box with requests, particularly in battleground states.
Another angle
Can a legal case be bought against factcheck for publishing an known fraudulent document?
If nothing else a win in this alone would spread worlwide that his credentials need to be validated!
And I'm not sure if this would be allowed but as an extra if a case such as this was allowed, could Obama's birth certificate then be subpoenaed for comparison to what fatcheck has published?
The dismissal of Berg v Obama at the District Court level serves as a springboard to place it front and center of the 150+ Americans who have yet to learn about the existence of this case due to its widespread censorship by the mainstream media that has been taking place since Phil Berg filed its Original Complaint back on August 21st.
Now sit back and watch while the mainstream media coverage multiplies and intensifies on this case. Yet it will be too little, too late. Their credibility level has plummeted to zero with audience and advertisers.
Just take a look at this Blog site--You now have GM and the makers of Tylenol advertising on it. Serves the mainstream media right. They have simply not been doing a job worth paying for--but Blogger Extraordinaire Jeff Schreiber has! So may he get their former revenue and more! And he's done it the old-fashioned way--He's earned it!
Yep! Bloggers are the real purveyors of news!
Gore v Bush did not make it through to a Congressional fight--but Berg v Obama will.
The will of our Forefathers, as well as that of the American people will prevail in the long-run. (NO FOREIGNER WILL OCCUPY THE OVAL OFFICE PURSUANT TO OUR CONSTITUTION!)Obama will not be moving in to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
As a whole, though, and across party lines, we as Americans, will learn a valuable lessons in the process:
1) We will no longer take our voting privilege for granted; and
2)We will have learned that by having witnessed just how close we came to putting an Illegal Alien in the White House.
I wonder if Berg were to declare himself a candidate for President whether he would have standing?
Obama may be elected with the help of the rampant voter fraud being reported. We need to urge McCain NOT to concede the election until they are both certified as eligible. He still has between the election and the Electoral College to do this. And the eligibility question will have to become mainstream. If it is reversed, it would not be McCain who stole the election. It would be our forefathers in the first Constitutional Congress, or Obama himself for trying to steal it while knowingly a fraud. Some constitutional lecturer! Ha!
The curious thing to me is what would happen to all the votes cast for a candidate determined to be ineligible? It would not seem logical to allow a party to insert a candidate to receive different candidate's votes since the people did not decide that candidate. The party system ceases to exist once the candidate is submitted. It would follow that the Electoral College would be left with one major eligible candidate to elect plus the various independents. That would be an ugly election, but it would also be justice to the DNC for putting up Obama the fraud as their candidate.
Our country is under attack from within. Our freedom is not free. We must fight for it.
I am getting word from one of my readers that the case HAS NOT been dismissed.
I Googled the News, and only the blogs are reporting on this development.
Not a single Newspaper!
Now, you and I both know that the MSM would be jumping on this in a heartbeat since, in their minds, it somehow absolves their messiah...
So, until we see something at Obamacrimes.com or hear something from Mr. Berg, I would just like to caution you that this might be a rumor of sorts.
This is quite interesting from a law persepctive.
What this case means to me, is that Judge surrick has just set precedence: The US constitution is *not* law, but instead a document by which all laws must abide. Constitutional amendments can only be enforced by legislated laws - they are nothing by themselves.
Handled right, the Fed District Court throwing out Berg for lack of standing can present a political check-mate “win” on appeal for the anti-Obama side (if not in law, in the Court of Public Opinion). Here’s how: SIMPLY SPREAD AROUND OBAMA’S APPELLATE BRIEF HAVING TO ARGUE AGAINST AN AMERICAN VOTER’S RIGHT TO RAISE THE QUESTION UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. Should be a PR disaster for the Dems and Obama!!!
Jeff,
I know you are busy... but I've asked this multiple times with no response...
HAS BERG MENTIONED THE STATUS OF THE MICHELLE OBAMA AUDIO? IF NOT, WOULD YOU MIND CONTACTING HIM FOR AN UPDATE?
Thank you!
While I share many of the same frustrations, I always urge people not to fall into the trap of thinking "it couldn't be worse than this". If Obama is elected, then disqualified at a later date, what happens? Biden is president and Nancy Pelosi VP? What scares me the most is the very real possibility of a liberal Democrat supermajority, and a Republican party that seems unable to articulate its message or campaign its way out of a wet paper bag.
anonymous wrote:
Am I dilusional, or did I grow up believing that this great nation was actually governed by THE PEOPLE.
You are delusional. Either that or you've simply never bothered to actually read the Constitution of the United States or taken a course in civics.
The United States is a republic, not a direct democracy.
In other words we have a representative form of government. That means we are not governed by "the people." Rather, we are governed by those we elect to represent us.
That's why the lower house of Congress is called the House of Representatives (which until 1913, was the only federal entity directly elected by "the people").
Look, it's not like the Constitution is some 300 page novel. At a very leisurely pace it can be read in no more than an hour.
There are those running around saying how frightening the thought of Obama being elected is and how the Constitution must be defended.
What I find far more frightening is that most of these people have clearly never bothered to actually read our founding document.
k
McCain should bring up why he was expected to provide proof of his qualifications for running for President, but Obama does not think he should have to provide proof.
I wish McCain had bigger teeth.
Outstanding job, Jeff. Great reporting throughout. Thank you for your stewardship and hard work.
What comes next is now here.
You had to know this was coming, one judge making a decision against "THE ONE".
He knew that this was going to the Supreme Court regardless.
A private citizen doesn't have "standing" to question their political leaders qualifications,
well hell we don't need to vote...welcome to communism!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,444021,00.html
Report Accuses Top Officials for Post-Elections Ethnic Violence in Kenya
Just As I predicted:
Isn't it strange at 6:15pm on Friday afternoon, after this weasel judge ran out of town for the weekend, his ruling came down! Why did he have to take 60 days to sit on something he knew he would dismiss almost immediately? It's called running the clock down!!!!
I have said all along this judge would be in bed with Obama. He didn't disappoint me.
Berg is right! If he, as a citizen, does not have the right to stand up for our Constitution. If you, I and neighbors do not have the RIGHT and DUTY to stand up for our Constitution, then may I ask:
Who in the holy hell does?
We certainly can't expect this liberal left leaning democrat congress who put Obama there to begin with to challenge his BC, or any thing else about the thug.
I'm a 73 year old man.I have spent 3 years in combat defending the rights outlined in our Constitution. When I first entered the Army, I took an oath, as all military men/women do, to PROTECT and DEFEND the Constitution. I have lived my entire life by this document.
So, don't tell me about rights,and duty, and freedom, and liberty and all that other bullshit anymore. They are now just words!
We are now being told by weasel judges,worthless politicians and the blind media that our Constitution is only an ancient paper with meaningless words signifying nothing.
I'm ashamed of our leaders, both democrat and republican. Both parties, and all elected and appointed public officials who took an oath on the Bible to UPHOLD and DEFEND the Constitution for now they are guilty of treason by their silence an omission.
I hope this judge feels good about his decision. I'm sure he prayed on the matter for 60 days!
As an American veteran who paid the highest price for citizenship in America, I and all other veterans have earned by the right of "standing" to ask for Obama'a Birth Certificate by our sweat and blood.
I don't know a single veteran who wants to surrender his country to an unknown foreigner with "socialist" leanings.
In one respect Mr Berg was wrong...We are not heading for A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS.....WE ARE ALREADY THERE!
God Bless America, we will need it...I'm afraid she won't be standing much longer.
For those interested:
API Alleges MO Tapes Reveal Upcoming Connection: Africa, Iran, Venezuela
-Phil
Id encourage everyone to start writing their state representatives.
A nice email along the lines of
Dear Sir / Madam
No vault Birth Certificate, no release of BO's college transcripts and I pull the straight Republican level at the voting booth.
The only thing we can do now is VOTE. I know that everyone is disappointed but you can still have your voice heard by voting for McCain so that Obama doesn't win the Presidency. Also, vote for more Republicans in the Senate and House so that IF Obama does win then he will not have a democratic supermajority and pass any thing into law that his little heart desires. Be prepared to lose your 1st and 2nd Amendment rights at the very least if you are not willing to vote for McCain AND more Republicans to ensure that our branches have checks and balances as our founding fathers intended. BE THE SOMEBODY...DO THE SOMETHING! You still have a voice and, as of yet at least, no one can silence that right to voice your opinion in your vote.
Jeff - it looks like my theory was right - the judge was trying to make it as "appeal proof" as possible. Especially since Berg made it clear he would appeal.
The appeal process is going to be interesting. The higher courts are even more picky about standing than the lower courts. And due to his having sued at least one of the current US Supreme Court Justices, getting it heard at that level would be sticky at best - wouldn't the justices he sued have to recuse themselves??
I know this isn't the result you wanted, but I can't pretend I'm not happy with it. But that being said, thank you again for your fair coverage of this story. And if I may make a suggestion?
There's very little news that will develop about this on the weekend. And there IS something far more important to you and I than this case will ever hope to be.
That's our kids. I'm going to spend the weekend playing with my daughter. Why don't you do the same with your kids?
Best regards.
Jeff,
I have followed this site from day one of this situation. Now I have to say above all that you have had some of the best info to date.
Question is: I have seen a site with the exact opposite statements made here. http://xeniagazette.1upmonitor.com/main.asp?SectionID=17&SubSectionID=452&ArticleID=161386&TM=85035.18
Plus another with your basic overview. http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20081025_Judge_rejects_Montco_lawyer_s_bid_to_have_Obama_removed_from_ballot.html
Then I have read the http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/27/ filed from Berg.
What the heck is going on here? Obama Crimes has no updates about this either. This is so confusing and still provides no answers as to why BHO does not just give a copy to end it all for good.
Great work Jeff! Keep up the good fight.
Here's hoping Obama is defeated soundly by McCain. That would be best all around.
I know you conspiracy people are feigning disappointment on behalf of the American people, but I challenge your sincerity. You only want to see Obama discredited at any cost, just like Berg. This is what happens when hatred is the wind in your sails.
Go home and rethink your motives about life.
Allow to say these words of comfort:
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
Give me a break. What'd you think was actually gonna happen?
I am horribly disappointed that the judge would not allow for discovery in this case. It seemed that since money was exchanged during the filing for the Presidential campaign that under the Uniform Commercial Code the validity of the Certificate of Live birth could be questions under the code. But I am no lawyer. Why do we need a court to rule on this matter anyway? It should be a requirement that a vaulted Birth Certificate should have been presented to someone doing some vetting somewhere. I am amazed that the US electorate finds themselves looking at a Kenyan President.
Take THAT Bill O'Reilly!! You just got fired!
Judge Surrick just said YOU don't have standing to make Barack Obama show his COLB.. and if you can't look out for yourself, then you can't look out for any of the rest of us.
So Bill, if you are still a stand up guy, are you gonna stand up and use your power to publicly ask Barack Obama put up the facts and come clean with the American People?
Now it's up to guys like you, Bill O'Reilly. The court just said us little guys got nothing to stand on.
Are you gonna just take the money and shut up or will you stand up for the little guy and get in Barack Obama's face until he comes clean with the American People?
You know you gotta do the right thing here, cause this Barack Obama's not doing it. Don't let him get away with it.
THE TRUTH FINALLY COMES OUT!!!!!!!
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It's interesting that a certain individual, "Music Producer," has gotten much better results thus far at the State level:
Concerned Citizens Should Pursue Legal Action in Their Respective States
-Phil
If, through the political process, Congress determines that citizens, voters, or party members should police the Constitution’s eligibility requirements for the Presidency, then it is free to pass laws conferring standing on individuals like Plaintiff.
F*ck that. Ours is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, regardless of what congress says. Neither the judge nor congress has the authority to decide that the people have no standing.
a candidate’s ineligibility under the Natural Born Citizen Clause does not result in an injury in fact to voters.
The potential for injury is great if the candidate is a citizen of another country, because of potential divided loyalties. Is the judge saying that the Constitution can be ignored? Besides, the question of injury is irrelevent. If the Constitution, the law of the land, states that the president must be a natural born citizen, then the candidate must be a natural born citizen. Who is the judge, or anyone else for that matter, to say otherwise?
Where did WE THE PEOPLE go?
Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member!
Is the House going to do its job? NO! Nancy Pelosi has already proven that fact.
What I have been watching my government do on cspan has turned my stomach. And WE THE PEOPLE have no vote in the matter.
If the Judge in the McCain citizenahip case would not have thrown it out on "standing" the result of this case might have been different.
I also think Berg should have put some effort into getting a candidate to join the lawsuit, even if Berg had to throw his own name into the ring as a candidate.
I think we all saw this coming since the McCain case was dimissed for the exact same reason. Berg should have noted this and acted accordingly.
If a citizen does not have standing, would a member of Congress have standing?
If so, is there anyone who is willing to take the political risk? Maybe someone who is leaving office anyway and so has nothing to lose?
This needs to be taken care of before the election! Otherwise it will be considered that the Election was stolen from Obama and I would hate to say what might happen! Remember what happened in Kenya? Riots!!! when Odinga lost the election. I believe that the more pressure that is put on him and the media, he would have to make a move. It can't be silinced if enough people start emailing and calling the media. I posted a message about Obama's Birth certificate on CNN. Never got moderated and comments were shut down.
I can't believe this happened! It really goes to show that everyone in the government is paid-off and there is no justice in this country. A communist fraud like Obama has no place being the president of this country. If there was any justice, he would be prosecuted in a court of law.
I am an Obama supporter and think that the underlying issue is laughable. I think the judge made the correct ruling. However, I also think that Berg, et. al., should keep on trying.
What they obviously need to do is first, accumulate more evidence, and second, find someone(s) with legal standing to file the complaint. Maybe they should see if they could persuade, say, the Idaho Legislature to take up the case.
So, when Obama win we have a nice 8 years to look forward to of kooks claiming that he's not a citizen?
The only reason I give even the slightest credence to this theory that Obama was possibly born in Kenya is his own strange behavior. If there is nothing to hide, then why not release his vault certificate? Why did he have to request a CLB in 2007? Why release a scan of the CLB in such a strange way, and eventually, allow only FactCheck to see or handle it and take some fuzzy misdated photographs? What could possibly be on the original certificate that would cause him harm?
If the Constitution requires that only a U.S. citizen is eligible to become President of the United States then who is in charge of fulfilling this requirement? This is not clear to me. I don't read the Constitution as saying "if there are doubts as to an individual's citizenship, then they are required to prove citizenship." Seems to me that any candidate must provide credentials. But to whom? Appears as if this is another federal requirement that is ignored and never enforced.
Phil wrote:
It's interesting that a certain individual, "Music Producer," has gotten much better results thus far at the State level:
Because unlike Berg, this "Music Producer" has apparently actually read the Constitution and understands how the President is elected in the United States.
And anyone who does should realize that at this point there is no federal issue here and that who appears on the various state ballots is entirely a state issue.
I'm sorry, but in my opinion Berg is nothing more than a publicity-seeking buffoon.
k
@ Eric Gallagher
Seems like Surrick dragged his feet too long for this to get to SCOTUS and ruled on before Nov. 4th.
I presume (I'm not a lawyer) that Berg must now petition SCOTUS for a writ of certiorari and have it move with lightning speed.
What're the odds?
A candidate can sue a voter to be removed, and a voter defend the lawsuit against the candidate. Equal protection implies the voter can sue the candidate to be removed and the candidate has to defend the suit.
The probability that an individual voter will change an election that is not polling 50/50 is low. As the odds deviate from 50/50 and the number of voters, n, goes to infinity, the probability goes to zero rapidly. (It becomes the tail of a Dirac Delta Function in this case.) But this is true whether the candidate sues the voter or the voter the candidate.
However, the cost of the candidate to the voter does not go to zero. If the candidate will impose a cost on the voter of 10,000 dollars, that doesn't go to zero as n goes to infinity and as the odds deviate from 50/50.
Thus a voter has more economic standing and specific damage to challenge or sue a candidate over credentials to hold office than a candidate or party to sue or challenge a voter over credentials to vote.
I am very disappointed in Judge Surricks dismissal of this case.However after my initial disbelief I began to reason it out as to why he decided to dismiss. Judge Surrick washed his hands of this case opening the way for an appeal to the higher courts. With the explosive nature of this case he did not want to make this decision.It is reminicent of Pontius Pilate, he too washed his hands not wanting to be the one sentencing Jesus.Cowardly? maybe but I am sure he also looked at the ramifications of the effect it would have upon him.
Jeff thankyou for all the hard work you do in keeping us informed.I became an american citizen by choice in 1963 and love this country dearly and believe that this nations citizens searching for the truth will prevail.
Yeah, either the judge has to agree with us or he is corrupt, because we're always right. Obama is a socialist communist kenyan secretly-gay anti-christ who mind-controlled the people who support him. Our version of the truth is the only truth. It is impossible for us to be wrong.
I am sure Berg is hard at work getting his appeal together. He needs his appeal filed by Monday or Tuesday before time runs out.
If Berg has the tape on Michelle Obama he needs to release by Tuesday or Wednesday so it will have its time to work its magic.
If Berg has the tape about Obama’s grandmother saying that Obama was born in Kenya, he needs to release ASAP so it can work its magic.
Berg should also work with Republicians to add some fuel to his appeal.
Berg should as work on filing suits in more state so we can get Obama to produce his Valt Copy Birth Certificate or be booted off the ballot.
Time is running out and we only have 10 days left.
This issue must be resolved before November 4, 2008.
If Obama wins it will very difficult to undo his win.
If Obama is sworn in, it will be next to impossible to remove him from office.
Time is running out people.
Action must be taken NOW!!!!
Sadly this destroys the Citizens Right to Petition for Redress... as this judge just said that any redress has to come from CONGRESS, not from the citizenry itself.
This is BEYOND ludicrous!
OF COURSE, Berg is RIGHT, and should be HIGHLY COMMENDED for making such a BOLD, ESSENTIAL & PATRIOTIC MOVE, to protect his fellow citizens - as have several states, now, followed suit in filing a suit against this GAY, MUSLIM, COMMUNIST KENYAN ! ! !
GOD FORBID that he should get further in this race! He is NOT American! NOT Democratic! And if truth be told: he is neither Christian nor straight!...
I wouldn't VOTE for him FOR ANY WHICH ONE OF THESE REASONS, let alone ALL OF THEM COMBINED!
WAKE UP, AMERICA!
How INTOXICATED, MESMERIZED and HYPNOTIZED you are!
NOTHING this bogus magician says resonates with me! He is FULL OF BULLSH--! He CAN'T MAKE A STRAIGHT, DEFINITIVE STATEMENT if his LIFE DEPENDED ON IT! He philosophizes on both sides of his mouth, to try and catch every tom, dick and harry, and in the end, doesn't even ANSWER THE QUESTION!
WHY is everyone SLEEPING OUT THERE!!!?
And HOW DID HE EVEN GET THIS FAR?!
It is CLEAR the secret society members, ALL GAY, themselves, want to PUSH THEIR SOCALIST AGENDA as their INTENT PLAN is to BRING ABOUT COMMUNISM IN AMERICA - and this one FITS THE BILL, as McCain, is at least, fiscally conservative and socially responsible!
Obama is a SHAM! And MOST ANTI-AMERICAN!!!
BEWARE!
WAKE UP!
OPEN YOUR EYES!
AND GET OFF THE SUBSTANCE YOU'RE ON!
Most Collegially Yours,
Angelina Lazar
Fellow Canadian &
Friend of America
Does it make sense to circumvent judge Surrick and his kangaroo court by instigating a class action suit?
Well, the judge has ruled in favor of the Obama machine...great...just the way they like it...Americans without rights, merit, and standing.
Everyone - Contact George Bush and your Republican representatives repeatedly.
http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml
Contact the RNC repeatedly.
1-202-863-8500
Contact John McCain's campaign repeatedly.
http://www.johnmccain.com/Contact/
Those are the people with standing. Then start calling and e-mailing every news outlet. This week has to be one of constant advocacy. Barack Obama is a fraud and we have one week to get people to listen to us. If we won't stand up for our Constitution - no one will. If you and I have to prove that we meet the requirements for a job, then so should Barack Hussein Obama.
Everyone - Contact George Bush and your Republican representatives repeatedly.
http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml
Contact the RNC repeatedly.
1-202-863-8500
Contact John McCain's campaign repeatedly.
http://www.johnmccain.com/Contact/
Those are the people with standing. Then start calling and e-mailing every news outlet. This week has to be one of constant advocacy. Barack Obama is a fraud and we have one week to get people to listen to us. If we won't stand up for our Constitution - no one will. If you and I have to prove that we meet the requirements for a job, then so should Barack Hussein Obama
Obama and the DNC doesn't worry at all. Right now, all they want is for Obama to get elected as POTUS and have a filibuster-proof Senate majority. After that, the U.S. Senate can just pass a solution recognizing B. H. Obama, Jr. as a natural-born U.S. Citizen.
The questions are: "Would it be constitutional?" and "Would these maneuvers be acceptable to voters?"
What the hell are you people talking about?
Look, it's here: http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg
It took me five minutes to find that. How much time have you all wasted on this wild goose chase? He's as American as apple pie - deal with it.
C'mon folks, grow up.
His birth certificate was issued and certified by the Hawaii Dept. of Health: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
There is nothing here with this issue except 9/11 Truther Crackpots like Berg.
Would a viable appeal be based on the 10th Amendment? If there is the void/vacuum that Surrick states yet shifted the responsibility to Congress the 10th would say that UNTIL Congress had passed legislation the right remains with the people and has not been delegated to the government.
Here is a link to leave a rating and comment about Judge R. Barclay Surrick;
http://www.therobingroom.com/Judge.aspx?ID=698
May I add my thanks for your hard work, Jeff!
Could someone please explain why the judges ruling does not appear here:
http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-paedce/case_no-2:2008cv04083/case_id-281573/
And where can I find information on the case filed by Music Producer?
Thanks!
Why can't lawsuits be filed in each of the fifty states naming the Secretaries of State as defendants. Their office is the one who certifies the election results 10 days after the county clerks submit the vote tallies. An injucnction filed not to certify the results of the presidential race until Obama produces the original copy of hisbirth certificate.
Obama's college applications should have similar information on them, but those records have been sealed as well. Unless Obama enrolled as a foreign student to receive financial aid for his college education, the truth is being hidden from view for a reason.
I wonder if he has committed fraud on his declarations of candidacy for Illinois State Senate, U.S. Senate and for Presdient, under the penalties perjury he has to attest to being a resident of the state and a U.S. Citizen on all 3 forms. I doubt if anyone would have challenged him before assuming he was legal at the time.
I honestly believe Obama was never challenged before because he was a Havard graduate.
Why couldn't citizens in a class action suit, as injured parties if Obama is illegally elected, present a case? Philadelphia is definitely NOT the place to realize any such desired ruling.
Why couldn't the Clintons present a real case as injured parties due to their opponent forcing a fraud upon the voters?
In fact, why couldn't McCain, even after the election, if he loses, file a case as an injured party?
And, how can injured parties get relief if there is no enforcement of subpoenas for actual/original documents re: original birth certificate or the non-existence of the naturalization process AFTER Obama allegedly lost his citizenship while living in Indonesia and not having gone through the immigration process for renewal? Catch 22!
From the Constitution Article XX Section 3 - If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified;
What does it mean "if the President elect shall have failed to qualify?" This seems like such a vague statement as to be useless. If the President elect doesn't prove he is qualified, then has he failed to qualify? But when, where, how and to whom does he have to prove that he qualifies?
The point is that a physical document needs to be produced. Just like it does for two people who want to get married, anyone who wants to get a security job, etc. You can't go to a justice of the peace and say you put the birth certificate up on your website. Obama is a lawyer surrounded by very big lawyers. If Berg's assertion is circumstantial, then Obama's response is suspicious as hell, and Berg should add a very important aspect to his case based on Obama's suspicious response, that of "Mens Rea" meaning "of a guilty mind" to the fact that Obama refuses to produce the physical document which, shill judge decisions or no, is required by law - and there's nothing circumstantial about that.
No way is this over, nor should it be. It does, however, suggest why Obama no longer feels he needs to spend time with his dying grandmother and has been hitting the campaign trail in pursuit of the Presidency ever since he said he was suspending it.
Is anyone here non-partisan, really caring about the constitution, or is everyone just preaching to their choir about how evil the “other” side is ???
“Let’s take back the country” many shout … from “who” I would ask ? From the “other side” would be the answer …
United we stand and divided we fall … into the very hands of those who would divide us in the first place … those who secretly control in anonymity from positions of such extreme wealth that they have purchased every means of information dissemination (the MSM) that we all use to stay informed … they also control the entire political process … both sides !!!
Yes, they have no political loyalty … if they did, it would naturally be to the “right” because that is where they find those the most gullible that will always vote in their favor … yet it doesn’t really matter because they have enough clout on the “other side” to make things happen in their favor regardless …
The keep us sheeple divided and conflicting with each other always blaming the opposite “side” … that way we effectively control each other with the very ideas that “they” have implanted into our heads in the first place … most often fear concepts about supposed evil of others … domestic and foreign, whatever works.
There are countless “think-tanks” designated to plan way ahead to work out scenarios about what-ifs and what-nexts … the brightest minds that money can coerce are working on plans around the clock somewhere … the control of the entire world is at stake and we are ALL the pawns and the eventual slaves …
It is Conspiracy … Big Time … but of course “they” have convinced their unaware supporters and apologists that all such considerations are but tin-foil hat concoctions of idiots, usually from the “left” …
Business as usual … the things being discussed in this here thread are so much deeper and planned out by “them” than any here seem to be able to imagine … most will deny because their egos cannot stand to buck the “peer pressure” of those so thoroughly indoctrinated (brainwashed) into believing that their “leaders” would not and could not get away with such …
You have been warned … again … but will you consider ? I doubt it.
Jck.gather.com
I just don't get it. What's the big deal in providing a birth certificate. If it's there, show it. But all this hedging and obfuscating, evasive manuevers, indicate something's rotten.
Obama has never acquiesced to provide documents (e.g., college trascripts, complete medical report, etc.) and believes he will sail too easily without these. Do we just accept what he throws at us aft face value?
This is what you call a CYA your honor. . People dont be fooled..This case can be squashed by showing the legal documentation. instead your majesty is deflecting the issue to cause delay and hope we all forget this case in the future. corruption is everywhere people. talk all you want ! your still screwed by the system !
You people are retards. Give your head a shake you bunch of redneck fools. Because you're going to lose, all you can come up with is that he is not American? You tried saying he is un-American, now he is not a citizen.
Laughable... but sad.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
" I know you conspiracy people are feigning disappointment on behalf of the American people, but I challenge your sincerity. You only want to see Obama discredited at any cost, just like Berg. This is what happens when hatred is the wind in your sails.
Go home and rethink your motives about life."
So you have no problem with Obama fighting the release of his birth cert? You don't find that strange?
Dear Wingnuts,
Go fuck yourself.
Very truly yours...
What a tempest in a teapot. The man is a US Senator, the son of an American citizen, and has submitted a legal copy of his birth certificate. The GOP can't steal this one, so they'll try any stupid, desperate measure to continue their destruction of the USA. Berg supporters are disgusting and gulliblie fools.
Seems to me that the real problem here is that Berg's claimed damages are (in the Judge's opinion) too nebulous.
This seems like a pretty easy fix: just make a donation to the Obama campaign. The argument would be:
- BO and the DNC solicited monies from you in support of the Obama campaign;
-BO and the DNC made the implied or overt representation that BO met the Constitutional requirements to serve as POTUS;
-based on those representations, you contributed money, time, etc.
-since then, you have learned certain facts that lead you to believe that BO is not, in fact, eligible to be POTUS.
your suit would then be for fraud and you could throw all the other stuff in - civil rights, etc. -- and see where they stick.
But if you draft the fraud claim simply and clearly and make sure you meet all the requirements for an actionable claim, then the judge is out of the picture. He/she can only act on matters of LAW, not questions of FACT, and at the very least, you should get your Discovery.
Just a thought from a non-lawyer, but it seems that drafting a dismissal-proof claim is step one in getting anywhere, here.
How did this county get turned upside down? The constitution is the vehicle by which the PEOPLE convey power to the government. The government gets it power from the people. How is it that the people then do not have the power or right to hold the government accountable in a court of law? Why does congress have to pass a law to allow us to have standing. That is effed up, upside down, and backwards!!!!
Jeff - we need to find someone in GA: I found this over at No quarter in the comment section:
CALLING ALL GEORGIANS (USA)
Under Georgia law, the S of S may challenge a candidate’s right to be on the general election ballot up to the election.
O.C.G.A. § 21-2-5
GEORGIA CODE
Copyright 2008 by The State of Georgia
All rights reserved.
*** Current through the 2008 Regular Session ***
TITLE 21. ELECTIONS
CHAPTER 2. ELECTIONS AND PRIMARIES GENERALLY
ARTICLE 1. GENERAL PROVISIONS
O.C.G.A. § 21-2-5 (2008)
§ 21-2-5. Qualifications of candidates for federal and state office; determination of qualifications
(a) Every candidate for federal and state office who is certified by the state executive committee of a political party or who files a notice of candidacy shall meet the constitutional and statutory qualifications for holding the office being sought.
(b) The Secretary of State upon his or her own motion may challenge the qualifications of any candidate at any time prior to the election of such candidate.
(c) The Secretary of State shall determine if the candidate is qualified to seek and hold the public office for which such candidate is offering. If the Secretary of State determines that the candidate is not qualified, the Secretary of State shall withhold the name of the candidate from the ballot or strike such candidate’s name from the ballot if the ballots have been printed. If there is insufficient time to strike the candidate’s name or reprint the ballots, a prominent notice shall be placed at each affected polling place advising voters of the disqualification of the candidate and all votes cast for such candidate shall be void and shall not be counted.
(e) The elector filing the challenge or the candidate challenged shall have the right to appeal the decision of the Secretary of State by filing a petition in the Superior Court of Fulton County within ten days after the entry of the final decision by the Secretary of State. The filing of the petition shall not itself stay the decision of the Secretary of State; however, the reviewing court may order a stay upon appropriate terms for good cause shown. As soon as possible after service of the petition, the Secretary of State shall transmit the original or a certified copy of the entire record of the proceedings under review to the reviewing court. The review shall be conducted by the court without a jury and shall be confined to the record. The court shall not substitute its judgment for that of the Secretary of State as to the weight of the evidence on questions of fact. The court may affirm the decision or remand the case for further proceedings. The court may reverse or modify the decision if substantial rights of the appellant have been prejudiced because the findings, inferences, conclusions, or decisions of the Secretary of State are:
(1) In violation of the Constitution or laws of this state;
(2) In excess of the statutory authority of the Secretary of State;
(3) Made upon unlawful procedures;
(4) Affected by other error of law;
(5) Clearly erroneous in view of the reliable, probative, and substantial evidence on the whole record; or
(6) Arbitrary or capricious or characterized by an abuse of discretion or a clearly unwarranted exercise of discretion.
An aggrieved party may obtain a review of any final judgment of the superior court by the Court of Appeals or the Supreme Court, as provided by law.
HISTORY: Code 1933, § 34-304, enacted by Ga. L. 1980, p. 312, § 1; Ga. L. 1983, p. 884, § 6-1; Ga. L. 1984, p. 636, § 1; Ga. L. 1985, p. 496, § 1; Ga. L. 1986, p. 32, § 1; Ga. L. 1987, p. 1360, § 1; Ga. L. 1989, p. 900, § 1; Ga. L. 1993, p. 617, § 1; Ga. L. 1997, p. 590, § 2; Ga. L. 1998, p. 145, § 1; Ga. L. 1998, p. 295, § 1; Ga. L. 1999, p. 21, § 1; Ga. L. 1999, p. 52, § 1.
Jeff - we need to find someone in GA: I found this over at No quarter in the comment section:
CALLING ALL GEORGIANS (USA)
Under Georgia law, the S of S may challenge a candidate’s right to be on the general election ballot up to the election.
O.C.G.A. § 21-2-5
GEORGIA CODE
Copyright 2008 by The State of Georgia
All rights reserved.
*** Current through the 2008 Regular Session ***
TITLE 21. ELECTIONS
CHAPTER 2. ELECTIONS AND PRIMARIES GENERALLY
ARTICLE 1. GENERAL PROVISIONS
O.C.G.A. § 21-2-5 (2008)
§ 21-2-5. Qualifications of candidates for federal and state office; determination of qualifications
(a) Every candidate for federal and state office who is certified by the state executive committee of a political party or who files a notice of candidacy shall meet the constitutional and statutory qualifications for holding the office being sought.
(b) The Secretary of State upon his or her own motion may challenge the qualifications of any candidate at any time prior to the election of such candidate.
(c) The Secretary of State shall determine if the candidate is qualified to seek and hold the public office for which such candidate is offering. If the Secretary of State determines that the candidate is not qualified, the Secretary of State shall withhold the name of the candidate from the ballot or strike such candidate’s name from the ballot if the ballots have been printed. If there is insufficient time to strike the candidate’s name or reprint the ballots, a prominent notice shall be placed at each affected polling place advising voters of the disqualification of the candidate and all votes cast for such candidate shall be void and shall not be counted.
(e) The elector filing the challenge or the candidate challenged shall have the right to appeal the decision of the Secretary of State by filing a petition in the Superior Court of Fulton County within ten days after the entry of the final decision by the Secretary of State. The filing of the petition shall not itself stay the decision of the Secretary of State; however, the reviewing court may order a stay upon appropriate terms for good cause shown. As soon as possible after service of the petition, the Secretary of State shall transmit the original or a certified copy of the entire record of the proceedings under review to the reviewing court. The review shall be conducted by the court without a jury and shall be confined to the record. The court shall not substitute its judgment for that of the Secretary of State as to the weight of the evidence on questions of fact. The court may affirm the decision or remand the case for further proceedings. The court may reverse or modify the decision if substantial rights of the appellant have been prejudiced because the findings, inferences, conclusions, or decisions of the Secretary of State are:
(1) In violation of the Constitution or laws of this state;
(2) In excess of the statutory authority of the Secretary of State;
(3) Made upon unlawful procedures;
(4) Affected by other error of law;
(5) Clearly erroneous in view of the reliable, probative, and substantial evidence on the whole record; or
(6) Arbitrary or capricious or characterized by an abuse of discretion or a clearly unwarranted exercise of discretion.
An aggrieved party may obtain a review of any final judgment of the superior court by the Court of Appeals or the Supreme Court, as provided by law.
HISTORY: Code 1933, § 34-304, enacted by Ga. L. 1980, p. 312, § 1; Ga. L. 1983, p. 884, § 6-1; Ga. L. 1984, p. 636, § 1; Ga. L. 1985, p. 496, § 1; Ga. L. 1986, p. 32, § 1; Ga. L. 1987, p. 1360, § 1; Ga. L. 1989, p. 900, § 1; Ga. L. 1993, p. 617, § 1; Ga. L. 1997, p. 590, § 2; Ga. L. 1998, p. 145, § 1; Ga. L. 1998, p. 295, § 1; Ga. L. 1999, p. 21, § 1; Ga. L. 1999, p. 52, § 1.
Is there a reason why Mr. Berg couldn't just file a class action suit on behalf of Obama's donors who will have a real injury of over 600 million dollars if he turns out to be ineligible? Clearly 600 million dollars represents standing in such a case. Fraud is fraud. Sue him on that basis, not on the basis of enforcing the constitution. Sue him because he has not turned over legal evidence that he has fulfilled his side of a "contract" between him and his donors that he could take office if elected.
>>If the Constitution requires that only a U.S. citizen is eligible to become President of the United States then who is in charge of fulfilling this requirement?
Well, according to the constitution, 10th ammendmentm Those powers not conveyed to the government by the constitution, are reserved to the states AND THE PEOPLE!!! We have the power and constitutional power to question this.
Ultimately, it is up to the voters to decide whether Obama is qualified or not to be POTUS on November 4. The only problem is that that assumes that the voters are just as informed as we are about the facts of the suit that Berg brought against Obama, and the truth is that most of the voters voting for Obama have no idea what he stands for or whether he is even qualified. It's going to be a very rough four years for us all under an Obama administration.
Hey-- isn't it some sort of fraud to take campaign money if they(DNC) know he isn't a legal candidate? If they didnot vet him aren't they liable?
"Looks like some shenanigans is happenning here"!! Did Obama go to Hawaii to call the judge to offer him a bribe to dismiss the case?? Would you put it pass Obama to such low-down politics
knowing how much he is corrupt???
Can anyone request Obama's phone calls made from Hawaii to PA.??
Obama has million$ that he can afford to make offer to judge. He's bought the MSMedia, the DNC, why not the judge??? "WHERE HAS OUR AMERICAN DEMOCRACY GONE"???
If you can't count on the constitution to protect the American voters who can you count on??? "GOD BLESS AMERICAN" AS IT WILL FALL INTO THE HANDS OF A "SOCIALIST". OBAMA IS THE WORSE KIND OF SOCIALIST!! Say good-bye to your 401K and hello higher-taxes!! "THIS IS SCARY"!!
What a bunch of crybabies. McCain is sinking like a stone and you guys can't stand to lose. McCain's case was decided on the same basis -- no standing.
Obama's birth certificate was authenticated by the state of Hawaii, factcheck.org which is owned and operated by Mrs. Annenberg, a McCain supporter, and by World Net Daily, a favorite of the nutcase set.
Hawaii DOES NOT PROVIDE a long-form or vault certificate for anyone and they consider the short form to be valid for any usage.
As for those who say Obama's trip to Hawaii was for any reason other than to be with the woman who raised him, you can go to hell. You have no soul.
I salute President Obama.
LeeStrong said............
If a citizen does not have standing, would a member of Congress have standing?
If so, is there anyone who is willing to take the political risk? Maybe someone who is leaving office anyway and so has nothing to lose?
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Someone should contact John Warner who is retiring. He is a great American and as I understand, is a great defender of the constitution. This could be his last gift to the American public.
The courts will continue to dismiss this.
Seems to me, more people care about this because they just don't want Obama to be president than it is about upholding the constitution.
Just as I thought, people will be blaming the judge for the decision he made, FOLLOWING THE LAW like so many of you claim to want.
This is what happens when a lawyer goes to court with no evidence, bad arguments, and no understanding of the law. Berg should be grateful this case was dismissed. He has dodged the bullet of his own humiliation in an open court.
AP picked up on the suit dismissal:
http://tinyurl.com/5z8gq4
If there's enough coverage -good or bad that might help....what do you think, Jeff?
AMENDMENT I -- ''Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, pr of the press; or THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE peaceably to assembly, and to PETITION THE GOVERNMENT FOR REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES''.
JEFF -- WHO is the ''government'' then , that WE have the RIGHT to petition THIS GRIEVANCE TO?
Ralph Nadar has standing. What with his work as a consumer advocate, he might could sue "the One" and the DNC for us. Maybe we can get him to sign on as an injured party if we ask real nice.
Anonymous asks...HAS BERG MENTIONED THE STATUS OF THE MICHELLE OBAMA AUDIO? IF NOT, WOULD YOU MIND CONTACTING HIM FOR AN UPDATE?
For what it is worth, I have been told...
API recorded it on that ancient tech, audio tape, and have to get the material converted to digital audio on computer. That is what is taking so long.
Jeez, more conspiracy theorists, fearmongers and lemmings...again. Berg and his followers = crazies.
Drudge posted too!
Dang!
From TexasDarlin blog....Berg is or has filed directly to the Supreme Court!
Yaaayyyyyyy!
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/25/berg-press-release-appealing-to-us-supreme-court/#more-4322
I won't rehash any of this, other than to say that I have been a registered democrat for 38 years, and in all that time I have never seen a candidate from either party, for any office who scared me as much as Mr. Obama.
I have never voted a straight ticket in my entire life, even for my own party. This election may change that. It seems likely to me that Obama will easily win as Mr. Berg has not succeeded, and the MSM remains virtually mute.
As I have stated elsewhere, should Obama extract himself from this case by any means other than conclusively proving his eligibility, then for the sole purpose of reducing Mr. Obama's power base, I shall vote straight Republican in November.
This is far bigger than Obama. Judge Surrick has just told us the constitution is a meaningless piece of paper.
If this decision stands we're all screwed, even if Obama himself loses or turns out to be OK.
If Obama has nothing to HIDE, why is he organizing TRUTH SQUADS all over the country to stop citizens from asking questions. Why does he have the secret service show up on someone's doorstep when someone expresses doubts about his eligiblity for president?
http://www.kmov.com/video/topvideo-index.html?nvid=285793&shu=1 Article & Video (law enforcement truth squad)
http://www.thecommunitypaper.com (Newspapers banned)
http://www.lufkindailynews.com/search/content/news/stories/2008/10/07/secret_service.html (secret service visit)
Is the Constitution being flushed down the toilet or going through a paper shredder?
I wonder if the Bill of Rights will be ignored in the future. Freedom of Speech is something every good socialist like Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and Castro defended right?
Vote "Coke Machine" for President!
It has a better record of making change.
Put yourself in the judge's shoes. If you rule against Obama there would be riots like you've never seen before, cities would burn. Not to mention the question of self preservation. It's better to take a few months to find a way to cop out rather than ruling on the merits of the case itself.
Hi just to clarify a few issues about the tape. Given that we have not yet seen the tape it is left to speculate as to who in effect is doing the translations. I know African women (grandmoms) and especially from english speaking African countries, like to use phrases like "son of kenya", "Son of our land" , "born of this land" and French "Fils du pays" If these are translated directly into english on a word for word basis from african "patoa" it could seriously mean what you have above, but in effect does not necessarily mean what you think it means. So without too much speculation, i think the release of these tapes, is probably very critical to this shocking case!
Just wondering:
If McCain loses, would he have
so-called "standing" in federal couft to question whether or not Obama is eligible to be President of the United States?
That is, could McCain---having lost the election--- force Obama to show his valid birth certificate and his hospital records to federal authorities and to a federal judge in a court of law?
I haven't read all the comments, so don't know if anyone has talked about this, but it would be illegal (probably) to play on National TV the audio of Obama's grandmother saying how proud she was to be in the delivery room when he was born? Can we take this straight to the people?
This is probably a stupid question, but thought I'd ask anyway.
The decision from this judge is a shame for the entire American judicial system!
And we had to wait so long to hear such a joke from this judge?
Keep fighting, Mr. Berg, until you get the truth and until justice is fully vindicated!
Obama's decision to obstruct the legal procedure proves that he is not eligible to be PotUSA!!
The problem is Mr. Berg went to the wrong court. He should have brought the action in a Pennsylvania state court. The president is elected by electors appointed in a manner determined by the states-not the people or the federal government. The election in each state is simply the method adopted by the states to determine which parties slate of electors will vote for each individual state. If Obama does not meet the constitutional requirement that he must be a natual born citizen, then his electors in each state should removed from the ballot and/or disqualified to vote when the electors meet to cast their vote. (How can they represent or vote for someone who is not qualified?)There should be a suit in each of the 50 united states and the target should be Obama's electors. The federal Constitution simply enumerates the qualifications but it is the duty of the states to make sure their electors can cast a vote for a constitutionally qualified individual. The damage will be from Berg's home state. So the standing issue is not a mystery. It seems to me that a citizen of a state has standing to bring an action in his home state to block the electors of an unqualified candidate from appearing on the ballot and/or casting electoral votes for his state.
Stay in school, Jeff.
Truthers and Republicans unite; under one giant tin foil hat. lol
It seems like Obama would have to have some top-security status to be informed of all the national security issues. Surely, SOMEONE somewhere in the CIA or somewhere has checked him out?? Maybe he's just playing with all of us to let us squirm - but somebody somewhere in this country has these answers and is holding back.
I know it's against our natures as law- and constitutional-abiding and actually working conservatives to revolt, but if we don't get satisfaction, I feel like we have to resist somewhere - not pay taxes - the actual constitution and government will be a sham from here on. How will we revolt, I ask?
I do agree with whoever said we go to the Secretary of State of our own states is probably the most efficient way to address this. That is where the suit in Washington state originated.
madmilker said tat the birth certificate wus type with a typewriter in 1961....duh! what's the big deal with havin' the state of Hawaii make a copy of the "real" deal....if any person is gonna sit in tat big white house tat is a true blue American born citizen he/she should have the ba!!s to let the world look at a copy of the genuine birth certificate from the way it wus type back in 1961 ...either type size PICA (large) or ELITE (small).
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Please see the 22-minute sermon from Dr. James David Manning from the ATLAH World Ministries, titled "God Save America." Disclaimer: there are words here that non-blacks shouldn't use, ever.
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5777
Wow! You people are totally batshit insane. Face it: Obama is an American, he's a lot smarter than any other politician we have, and we'll all be better off with him as president than we have been for the last eight years under Bush, Cheney, and the other war criminal wingnuts.
And, will some reporter simply ask Barack Obama about this (from bouncingrealitychecks.blogspot.com):
“OBAMA’S REAL BIRTH LOCATION, AND HIS REAL FATHER: FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS
In light of the fact that the judge in the Philip Berg v. Obama and DNC case dismissed this case because of lack of standing on the part of Mr. Berg, ( http://www.americasright.com ), it is unfortunate indeed that citizens (until our Worthless Congress takes their heads out of their a**es and writes some laws protecting us from allowing this type of situation) have no recourse to prevent this situation we are about to enter, and simply must proceed to either a constitutional crisis or total destruction of the country by a marxist communist who is likely foreign born and not even basically qualified to be President. The judge might like to do more, but unless he “legislates from the bench” like liberal judges would (he is a Republican I understand), he has to rule on the basis of law — and I agree with his decision on that basis. As unfortunate as it is, the judge is likely correct in his ruling.
Here’s my take on the Obama citizenship situation. My view is a combination of both the Andy Martin theories and the Philip Berg theories. (See links in previous posts shown below.) It takes both into consideration and doesn’t ignore any of the possible scenarios. My theory:
Obama is a dead ringer for Frank Marshall Davis. Frank Marshall Davis is his father, and the “Anne” in Frank Marshall Davis’ sex/porn book IS Ann, Obama’s mother. There was an agreement between Frank Marshall Davis (as Andy Martin states) and Barack Obama, Sr. for Obama, Sr. to pose as Barack’s father. As the birth approached, Obama, Sr. wanted to move back to Kenya, and Ann agreed to go with him. She intended to come back to Hawaii before Barack’s birth and give birth to him in Hawaii. Unknowingly, she waited to long, and was too close to giving birth that the airline would not let her board a flight back to the U.S. She had no choice but to give birth to Barack in Kenya. She did, and within days after the birth flew back to Hawaii to get birth documentation. However, she was not able to get a full-fledged birth certificate since he was not born in Hawaii and only could obtain the Live Birth documentation. Additionally, Barack was not qualified to be a “natural-born citizen” as she was not yet 19 (the law at the time for children born to parents while overseas). Barack’s paternal grandmother claimed she was present for his birth in Kenya, and this is likely the case. The fraud was perpetuated until present, and she likely still does not know that Obama is not her blood grandson.
Obama, Sr. never really had a connection with Barack, Jr. as he was not his blood son, and didn’t really try to maintain any consistent relationship with him. However, the facade was continued by Ann and her parents. In Hawaii Barack became close to Frank Marshall Davis but Barack did not know until much later that Frank was Barack’s father. One reason why Barack may not want the public to know that Frank Marshall Davis was his father is likely because of Frank’s Communist admissions, and membership in the Communist Party USA (even though his stated father, Barack Obama, Sr., was also a marxist communist, but was not as related to the United States politically).
Another reason Barack may not want you to know that Frank Marshall Davis was his father is because of Davis’s graphic and infamous sex/porn book “Sex Rebel: Black (Memoirs of a Gash Gourmet),” (written under pseudonym “Bob Greene”); Greenleaf Publishing Company (Evanston, IL), 1968. This would not reflect well on Barack, especially in light of the fact that Frank Marshall Davis had homosexual proclivities, and Barack has been connected to the scandal that involved deaths of 3 homosexual men in Rev. Wright’s Trinity church near the end of 2007, even though the news media has tried to cover up any link to Barack Obama in this situation. See http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/members_of_obama_s_church_kill."
Who is the music producer? I live in Va. and have heard nothing about it.
Has anyone ever thought that Berg may want to loose so the case won't be tried again?
The best defense is often a good offense.
I'm not an attorney and appologize if this is ignorant.
Whats the point of voting? Your votes dont count anyway. That was proved when 4 judges from CA overturned voters decision on gay marriage. They were not arrested, charged with an illegal move, or forced to question on what authority they had to decide against what the voters had already said..NO!
Hussein will just buy the election, and if he does lose, he will just scream racism and demand a recount.
Berg is going directly for the Supreme Court:
http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/2-news/45-press-release-berg-v-obama-dismissed-berg-appealing-to-u-s-supreme-court
Even if Berg had legal standing for this case, the documentation that the provided isn't documentation, it's hearsay. Hearsay evidence is not allowed.
Why do so many of you want Obama to not be a citizen? I can understand not wanting to vote for him, but not wanting him to even be a citizen seems way, way off base.
BTW, the lawsuit in Hawaii is not against Obama, it's against the Hawaii Department of Health. They have rules that unless the requester of the birth certificate is the subject of the birth certificate or a close family member, they can not access it for 75 years. This has been in place for quite a while, and every other state has a similar law.
Here are some thoughts…Berg is facing two major challenges moving forward.
- Standing
- Credible Evidence
1). On the issue of “Standing” -- we already know that the Judge has ruled against Berg regarding his standing in this case, unless overturned on appeal, that is a mute issue. If Berg wishes to continue this at the Federal level, he need to find at least one person that does have standing and represent that person. An interesting question raised by Kevin Rex Heine (http://www.rightmichigan.com/comments/2008/10/25/1133/0995?pid=2#5)
“…How about any member of the military (". . . support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and bear true faith and allegiance to the same . . .")…”
The question whether military men/women have standing is, if nothing else, it’s a very interesting legal argument.
I myself believe this would be better handled at the State level by challenging the “Secretary of State’ in each State to verify the certificate of birth (COB), however, since I am not an attorney, that may be an uninformed opinion in terms of legal strategy.
2). Evidence –- Berg needs to obtain better and more credible evidence. The link below shows the stark comparison between BO’s COB, posted on the Internet for public review, and that of an individual that was born two years later in the state of Hawaii. Clearly, two very different formats.
Without a doubt, there were other babies born in Hawaii on 08/04/1961. Berg needs to find a valid COB for a child born a couple of days before 08/04/61 and one for a child born a couple of days after 08/04/61. If these two COBs match, and if the two matching certificates are different than that of BO’s, then Berg has better and more compelling evidence to justify his claim.
Image of BO’s COB compared to one of an individual born 2 years later:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_R-l1iejogZw/SQLJZbuSVXI/AAAAAAAABKM/9B2p--yZzDw/s1600-h/Obama+COLB.jpg
The following site provides a somewhat compelling argument as to the questions surrounding the authenticity of the document itself. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2032572/posts
However, without the original COB there is no one (credible) that can forensically attest to the authenticity of that COB, at least not to a degree that is admissible in court.
I assume Berg can conduct further investigations as to, who were the delivery room Doctors and nurses on staff on 08/04/61? There must be a way to figure that out…the hospital has to have some sort of legal record of who was on staff that day. Thus, if the doctor(s) is still alive, Berg needs to depose that individual and determine if he/she remembers anything to do with this subject birth.
There must be admission records, hospital stay records…some sort of “credible” records that prove or disprove Berg’s theory.
Berg needs to obtain a certified copy of any birth announcements made concerning this matter.
Also, unless BO’s mother swam back to Hawaii, there has to be some sort of travel record indicating that she re-entered the US in 1961, or to the contrary.
So, Berg faces substantial challenges moving his lawsuit forward and I believe that without proper credible and “certifiable” evidence, Berg’s case will always be found to lack merit.
Good luck...
There is something not understood here at all. We are NOT under our original Constitution and I don't think Berg and the others get that. WE have not been under it since at least 1871, when DC was created and there are some that seem to have proven we have always been a British Colony.
Now our original Constitution for to include something anyway, and that is protection from the Corporation. The USA and every single state, most cities and counties are now incorporated under CORP USA and we are NOT citizens, we are slaves and thus as such have NO rights and I think considering that alone, this judge was right. For a lawsuit to be successful, one must sue within the rules of the Corporate system and it sadly changes the rules to suit itself.
There is NO such thing sadly, as a citizen of the united States of America, only a servant to the United States of America, noticed the capitalization please. I don't think this one is winable and we need to get involved instead with the many crimes Obama has been part of. But it was a good try nevertheless.
Also, I believe it is already a done deal that we are now part of the North American Union, otherwise we would not be minting the Amero, nor would China have accepted Amero's as part of the debt repayment to them. We are New World Order slaves completely.
Jeff,
Can you please call me at your convenience?
Toll free: 866-516-9998. I have a quick question... will only take 5 minutes of your time.
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It is the brazilianization of the US. We are going to take over the world by spreading our [brazilian] mediocrity.
Now, more serious: I am praying for you, fellow americans.
Joe the plumber should join the sppeal lawsuit as he has been harmed by BO. he lost his job and is constantly hounded by msm. the BO orangization is out to destroy him. and i'm sure he's not the only one...
We sould be fools to think that Obama didn't fly to Hawaii this week to dispose and shred any documentation or photos of his birth in Kenya because why would his Paternal Grandma lie....she has nothing to lose!
all of the comments above: everyone concurs; not one dissents.
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